[Samba] Totally missing the mark here

Steve Campbell campbell at cnpapers.com
Tue May 27 10:24:09 MDT 2014

On 5/27/2014 11:54 AM, Rowland Penny wrote:
> On 27/05/14 16:06, Steve Campbell wrote:
>> On 5/27/2014 10:29 AM, Rowland Penny wrote:
>>> On 27/05/14 15:04, Steve Campbell wrote:
>>>> <snip>
>>>>> You are starting to confuse me now ;-)
>>>>> I thought that you were using the sernet packages, but from the 
>>>>> above command it would seem that you have compiled samba4 yourself.
>>>> How would the sernet packages differ from the compiled version? 
>>>> Doesn't it give me mostly the same executables?
>>> Well yes, but they will be found in different places, take 
>>> samba-tool for instance, with sernet it will be in /usr/bin , but if 
>>> you compile samba4 yourself it will be found in /usr/local/samba/bin
>>>>> I personally always pass all the info at once i.e.
>>>>> samba-tool domain provision --realm=example.com --domain=EXAMPLE 
>>>>> --adminpass=P4ssw0rd* --use-rfc2307 --server-role='dc'
>>>>> Your realm is usually the same as your DNS domain name and the 
>>>>> domain should be the first part of your realm but in UPPERCASE ;-)
>>>> OK, I'm almost certain what I used for the interactive answers were 
>>>> not correct. How would I start over?
>>> I would suggest that you first of all create a VM to practise in 
>>> (you can take snapshots of this) , then decide whether to go with 
>>> the sernet packages, use the backport packages (if using wheezy) or 
>>> compile samba yourself, once you make your decision, stick with it.
>>>> Regardless of how bad the "Using Samba" book might be for a Samba 4 
>>>> implementation, it does provide very good information about what 
>>>> Domains are and how they are viewed (at least for me, the Windows 
>>>> Domain idiot). I don't mean to argue.
>>> The only problem with that argument (for want of a better word) is 
>>> that there are two types of domains, NT4 and AD, Samba4 can do both, 
>>> but you really should be aiming for an AD domain and there is a lot 
>>> of better info out there in the internet, than what you will find in 
>>> that book.
>>>> I feel sort of guilty for using the list as a learning tool. There 
>>>> just isn't much out there other places.
>>> Do not feel guilty, we ALL had to start somewhere and as far as I am 
>>> concerned we should help others as far as we can. As for finding 
>>> information on the internet, I suspect that you are not using the 
>>> right search terms, try using 'active directory' or 'AD' instead of 
>>> 'samba' or 'samba4'.
>>> Rowland
>>>>> This really should be in the wiki, not just telling people to do 
>>>>> it interactively, especially if you are not going to show the 
>>>>> questions that will be asked. Would you like me to re-write that 
>>>>> section and send it to you ?
>>>>>> I'm using the old version 3 book to make sure I understand the 
>>>>>> questions that "--interactive" asks, in particular, the ones 
>>>>>> about the domain.
>>>>> Please take that copy of 'using Samba' and get rid of it ;-) Just 
>>>>> refer to the wiki and ask questions here.
>>>>>> I'm fairly certain that those domain questions might be the 
>>>>>> biggest part of the problem.
>>>>> Could be.
>>>> steve
>> So while we were talking, the Windows guy decided he wanted to try 
>> something different. He found some instructions using configure/make 
>> and was trying to do that. I stopped him before doing so.
>> Upon trying to remove sernet and then update sernet, we discovered 
>> that some of the packages are being updated, and we couldn't do 
>> either remove or update the packages.
>> So I removed the individual packages (as opposed to all the packages 
>> as a wildcard). We are now installing from the git directories. He's 
>> a little concerned because he's not a Linux guy and I'm only going to 
>> be around for a few months, and packages are just so easy for a new guy.
> You now seem to be trying to use the development files, these are not 
> forced to be stable, I would recommend that you use the latest stable 
> package (if you are going to compile it yourself) : 
> samba.org/samba/ftp/stable/samba-4.1.7.tar.gz
> Rowland
>> I'll inform you of our progress.
>> I hadn't considered the AD-vs-NT4 domains. Glad you mentioned that. 
>> And thanks for the understanding and patience.
>> steve

Right again. He downloaded 4.2-pre

We've wiped that and downloaded the file you suggested. I've unzipped 
and untarred that. There is a configure in the root folder 
(samba-4.1.7). The wiki indicates that there should be a samba-master 
folder (when using git). Can I assume that I should use the configure in 
that root folder?

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