[Samba] Totally missing the mark here

Rowland Penny rowlandpenny at googlemail.com
Tue May 27 09:54:01 MDT 2014

On 27/05/14 16:06, Steve Campbell wrote:
> On 5/27/2014 10:29 AM, Rowland Penny wrote:
>> On 27/05/14 15:04, Steve Campbell wrote:
>>> <snip>
>>>> You are starting to confuse me now ;-)
>>>> I thought that you were using the sernet packages, but from the 
>>>> above command it would seem that you have compiled samba4 yourself.
>>> How would the sernet packages differ from the compiled version? 
>>> Doesn't it give me mostly the same executables?
>> Well yes, but they will be found in different places, take samba-tool 
>> for instance, with sernet it will be in /usr/bin , but if you compile 
>> samba4 yourself it will be found in /usr/local/samba/bin
>>>> I personally always pass all the info at once i.e.
>>>> samba-tool domain provision --realm=example.com --domain=EXAMPLE 
>>>> --adminpass=P4ssw0rd* --use-rfc2307 --server-role='dc'
>>>> Your realm is usually the same as your DNS domain name and the 
>>>> domain should be the first part of your realm but in UPPERCASE ;-)
>>> OK, I'm almost certain what I used for the interactive answers were 
>>> not correct. How would I start over?
>> I would suggest that you first of all create a VM to practise in (you 
>> can take snapshots of this) , then decide whether to go with the 
>> sernet packages, use the backport packages (if using wheezy) or 
>> compile samba yourself, once you make your decision, stick with it.
>>> Regardless of how bad the "Using Samba" book might be for a Samba 4 
>>> implementation, it does provide very good information about what 
>>> Domains are and how they are viewed (at least for me, the Windows 
>>> Domain idiot). I don't mean to argue.
>> The only problem with that argument (for want of a better word) is 
>> that there are two types of domains, NT4 and AD, Samba4 can do both, 
>> but you really should be aiming for an AD domain and there is a lot 
>> of better info out there in the internet, than what you will find in 
>> that book.
>>> I feel sort of guilty for using the list as a learning tool. There 
>>> just isn't much out there other places.
>> Do not feel guilty, we ALL had to start somewhere and as far as I am 
>> concerned we should help others as far as we can. As for finding 
>> information on the internet, I suspect that you are not using the 
>> right search terms, try using 'active directory' or 'AD' instead of 
>> 'samba' or 'samba4'.
>> Rowland
>>>> This really should be in the wiki, not just telling people to do it 
>>>> interactively, especially if you are not going to show the 
>>>> questions that will be asked. Would you like me to re-write that 
>>>> section and send it to you ?
>>>>> I'm using the old version 3 book to make sure I understand the 
>>>>> questions that "--interactive" asks, in particular, the ones about 
>>>>> the domain.
>>>> Please take that copy of 'using Samba' and get rid of it ;-) Just 
>>>> refer to the wiki and ask questions here.
>>>>> I'm fairly certain that those domain questions might be the 
>>>>> biggest part of the problem.
>>>> Could be.
>>> steve
> So while we were talking, the Windows guy decided he wanted to try 
> something different. He found some instructions using configure/make 
> and was trying to do that. I stopped him before doing so.
> Upon trying to remove sernet and then update sernet, we discovered 
> that some of the packages are being updated, and we couldn't do either 
> remove or update the packages.
> So I removed the individual packages (as opposed to all the packages 
> as a wildcard). We are now installing from the git directories. He's a 
> little concerned because he's not a Linux guy and I'm only going to be 
> around for a few months, and packages are just so easy for a new guy.

You now seem to be trying to use the development files, these are not 
forced to be stable, I would recommend that you use the latest stable 
package (if you are going to compile it yourself) : 


> I'll inform you of our progress.
> I hadn't considered the AD-vs-NT4 domains. Glad you mentioned that. 
> And thanks for the understanding and patience.
> steve

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