[Samba] Totally missing the mark here

[Steve Campbell]

On 5/27/2014 12:24 PM, Steve Campbell wrote:
>
> On 5/27/2014 11:54 AM, Rowland Penny wrote:
>> On 27/05/14 16:06, Steve Campbell wrote:
>>>
>>> On 5/27/2014 10:29 AM, Rowland Penny wrote:
>>>> On 27/05/14 15:04, Steve Campbell wrote:
>>>>> <snip>
>>>>>> You are starting to confuse me now ;-)
>>>>>> I thought that you were using the sernet packages, but from the 
>>>>>> above command it would seem that you have compiled samba4 yourself.
>>>>> How would the sernet packages differ from the compiled version? 
>>>>> Doesn't it give me mostly the same executables?
>>>>
>>>> Well yes, but they will be found in different places, take 
>>>> samba-tool for instance, with sernet it will be in /usr/bin , but 
>>>> if you compile samba4 yourself it will be found in 
>>>> /usr/local/samba/bin
>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I personally always pass all the info at once i.e.
>>>>>> samba-tool domain provision --realm=example.com --domain=EXAMPLE 
>>>>>> --adminpass=P4ssw0rd* --use-rfc2307 --server-role='dc'
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Your realm is usually the same as your DNS domain name and the 
>>>>>> domain should be the first part of your realm but in UPPERCASE ;-)
>>>>>
>>>>> OK, I'm almost certain what I used for the interactive answers 
>>>>> were not correct. How would I start over?
>>>>>
>>>> I would suggest that you first of all create a VM to practise in 
>>>> (you can take snapshots of this) , then decide whether to go with 
>>>> the sernet packages, use the backport packages (if using wheezy) or 
>>>> compile samba yourself, once you make your decision, stick with it.
>>>>
>>>>> Regardless of how bad the "Using Samba" book might be for a Samba 
>>>>> 4 implementation, it does provide very good information about what 
>>>>> Domains are and how they are viewed (at least for me, the Windows 
>>>>> Domain idiot). I don't mean to argue.
>>>>>
>>>> The only problem with that argument (for want of a better word) is 
>>>> that there are two types of domains, NT4 and AD, Samba4 can do 
>>>> both, but you really should be aiming for an AD domain and there is 
>>>> a lot of better info out there in the internet, than what you will 
>>>> find in that book.
>>>>
>>>>> I feel sort of guilty for using the list as a learning tool. There 
>>>>> just isn't much out there other places.
>>>>
>>>> Do not feel guilty, we ALL had to start somewhere and as far as I 
>>>> am concerned we should help others as far as we can. As for finding 
>>>> information on the internet, I suspect that you are not using the 
>>>> right search terms, try using 'active directory' or 'AD' instead of 
>>>> 'samba' or 'samba4'.
>>>>
>>>> Rowland
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> NOTE TO MARC:
>>>>>> This really should be in the wiki, not just telling people to do 
>>>>>> it interactively, especially if you are not going to show the 
>>>>>> questions that will be asked. Would you like me to re-write that 
>>>>>> section and send it to you ?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm using the old version 3 book to make sure I understand the 
>>>>>>> questions that "--interactive" asks, in particular, the ones 
>>>>>>> about the domain.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Please take that copy of 'using Samba' and get rid of it ;-) Just 
>>>>>> refer to the wiki and ask questions here.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm fairly certain that those domain questions might be the 
>>>>>>> biggest part of the problem.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Could be.
>>>>>>
>>>>> steve
>>>>
>>> So while we were talking, the Windows guy decided he wanted to try 
>>> something different. He found some instructions using configure/make 
>>> and was trying to do that. I stopped him before doing so.
>>>
>>> Upon trying to remove sernet and then update sernet, we discovered 
>>> that some of the packages are being updated, and we couldn't do 
>>> either remove or update the packages.
>>>
>>> So I removed the individual packages (as opposed to all the packages 
>>> as a wildcard). We are now installing from the git directories. He's 
>>> a little concerned because he's not a Linux guy and I'm only going 
>>> to be around for a few months, and packages are just so easy for a 
>>> new guy.
>>
>> You now seem to be trying to use the development files, these are not 
>> forced to be stable, I would recommend that you use the latest stable 
>> package (if you are going to compile it yourself) : 
>> samba.org/samba/ftp/stable/samba-4.1.7.tar.gz
>>
>> Rowland
>>
>>>
>>> I'll inform you of our progress.
>>>
>>> I hadn't considered the AD-vs-NT4 domains. Glad you mentioned that. 
>>> And thanks for the understanding and patience.
>>>
>>> steve
>>
> Rowland,
>
> Right again. He downloaded 4.2-pre
>
> We've wiped that and downloaded the file you suggested. I've unzipped 
> and untarred that. There is a configure in the root folder 
> (samba-4.1.7). The wiki indicates that there should be a samba-master 
> folder (when using git). Can I assume that I should use the configure 
> in that root folder?
Never mind, I reread the top part of the page.