Pls include Message-Id hdrs!! (Re: alternate mail archive)

Nicolas Williams Nicolas.Williams at
Wed Jun 28 13:34:37 GMT 2000

On Wed, Jun 28, 2000 at 04:04:23AM -0500, Peter Samuelson wrote:
> [Nicolas Williams <Nicolas.Williams at>]
> > Please include all the relevant headers in any mailing list archives
> > you set up.
> I think MHonArc does a decent job of this.  Would you mind checking
> to see if you have adequate
> information?

Message-Id is not included in that archive.

Compare these two URLs for the same message:

> >  - From
> >  - To
> >  - Cc
> Unfortunately To and Cc are axed at, courtesy of listproc.
> Nothing I can do about that.  (Fortunately, according to Tim Potter,
> listproc's days at are numbered....)

Strange, they don't seem to be; check out:

In that last page you'll find the following headers:

-> Received: from ([]:46576 "EHLO") by with ESMTP id <S25773625AbQF1NEz>; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 23:04:55 +1000
-> Received: from (darling []) by (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA22703; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 14:02:59 +0100 (BST)
-> Received: from (localhost []) by (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA05976; Wed, 28 Jun 2000 14:02:06 +0100 (BST)
-> Sender: sarum at
-> Message-ID: <3959F74D.6418476 at>
-> Date:   Wed, 28 Jun 2000 14:02:05 +0100
-> From:   David Allan Finch <david.allan at>
-> Reply-To: david.allan at
-> Organization: Monotype Systems Ltd
-> X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.72 [en] (X11; U; SunOS 5.8 sun4u)
-> X-Accept-Language: en, ja
-> To:     SAMBA-TECHNICAL <samba-technical at>
-> Subject: Slashdot | Microsoft Openly Provides Kerberos Interop Specs
-> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
-> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
-> Return-Path: <david.allan at>
-> X-Orcpt: rfc822;samba-technical at

As you can see, the current Samba archives save and display ALL the
interesting headers.

I really like the version of HyperMail that's in use right now at the
current Samba archives. I do wish that the Samba mirror sites would
update their mail archives more often, in "real time" if possible. This
is why I always refer to the master archive site and not any of the
mirrors. The mirrors also have a significantly difference appearance
than the master.

> >  - Date
> >  - Subject
> >  - Message-Id
> >  - Reply-To
> >  - Followups-To
> MHonArc keeps all these.  (All except followups-to.  I can't tell if it
> keeps that one because I don't have any examples anywhere in my samba
> list archives.  Either it's not a very popular header, or it too is
> being filtered at

Fair enough, but the URL you gave me certainly does not display

> > This is necessary so that those of us who don't subscribe to the list
> > can actually reply correctly to mails posted to the list.
> What we really need is a mail archive program that puts in a little
> "send me this" button which e-mails the current message, in pristine
> condition, back to you.  Pristine except that it should add a header
> like X-Request-IP: to make it easy to filter, in case of abuse.

Oh yes, I _really_ like that idea.

Another possibility is to embed a mailto link in the per-message HTML
page which would set the In-Reply-To and Subject headers. I'm not sure
if this is technically feasible, but it most likely is not as complete
as what you suggest.

> Looks like a php+postgresql project.  Wonder if it's been done....
> Peter

I still insist that the current Samba archives do just fine :) (though
perhaps not as viewed from the mirror sites).



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