include exclude help please.

[Joe Rice]

hi.
  I know this is a big topic on the list, please forgive me.

rsync -avv --include "/film/jonah/**/sourceimages/*.tif" --exclude "*" /film /tmp

i'm trying to copy all *.tif 's that are in a  */sourceimages/ directory
and that are only under /film/jonah.

i would like to copy the directory tree and tif files to /tmp

i was able to copy ever tif with:

rsync -a --include "*/" --include "*.tif" --exclude "*" /film/ /tmp/film

but i would really like to narrow it down to just
the tif files in any sourceimages directory.

any help wold be appreciated.

thanks,
joe