[clug] Disturbing mail from Optus
Sunnz
sunnzy at gmail.com
Sat Feb 10 11:18:47 GMT 2007
I was surely able to get a Microsoft "Passport" account, for a friend
who started using Ubuntu... I think it is the same thing as Windows
Live ID, however my friend wasn't able to log in to MSN Messager yet
last time I checked. They now call MSN Mess: Windows Live Messager by
the way.
But I'll report back here and next time I check that "passport" account.
2007/2/10, Duncan Roe <duncan_roe at acslink.net.au>:
> Hi Michael,
>
> I think I remember reading about Windows Live ID (at work, where I have to use
> Windows) - I didn't take much notice of it at the time but I don't think it's
> webmail.
>
> Generally I don't use their webmail anyway (I use POP), but I had to go there
> because their spam filter had impounded a flight itinerary I'd forwarded to
> myself from my work account. The moral there might be to turn off their spam
> filtering - it lets most of it through to me anyway so no great loss.
>
> As to what they're trying to do - I'll keep the list posted as I find out more.
> My impression so far is total ignorance on their part that they have any
> customers not using Windows.
>
> In Melbourne, Optus run their own cables (like TransACT), so they're rather more
> than just an ISP. We have a broadband / phone package (and a good tie-in with
> Optus prepay mobile as well).
>
> Cheers ... Duncan.
>
> On Sat, Feb 10, 2007 at 02:33:38PM +1100, Michael Cohen wrote:
> > Hi Duncan,
> > Im not sure I understand what optus is trying to do here. What is this
> > windows live id? is it some kind of new windows only authentication method?
> > Surely no ISP can require a windows only authentication to get their
> > customers to log in - most (if not all) customers use ADSL FW/routers which
> > usually run linux and rely of standard open protocols to log in. Even if
> > people arent aware they are running linux on their gateway most likely.
> >
> > Similarly, they cant possibly implement a proprietary log in to web mail,
> > because the whole point of web mail is that you need to log in from internet
> > cafes, your office etc. So the interface needs to be very standard and simple
> > because most customers dont have much control of where they log in from.
> >
> > Then mail services such as pop and imap are standard, because most users use
> > outlook express which can not (correct me if im wrong) connect to an exchange
> > server anyway - nor would exchange be a suitable platform for a large number
> > of users like in an ISP (cost and stability issues). So they must still offer
> > pop/imap to customers.
> >
> > I think this whole thing is about them implementing some kind of web portal
> > which may be ms based. I went to the page, but (and I have broadband
> > account) got bored after about a minute of loading lots of unneeded crap. It
> > seems almost unusably heavy in its current form and will undoubtadle have to
> > be cut down once everyone starts using it.
> >
> > Maybe they are trying to get publicity by beating up windows name - i think
> > the email below implied that they were in partnership with ms over a dozen
> > times... That is truely something to be proud of.
> >
> > As far as the usability of myzoo - most people couldnt care less because I
> > dont really see many (even windows users) really wanting to use this site -
> > its way too heavy, not very well oranised (seems to try to put heaps of
> > different unrelated things on the same page), takes _ages_ to load. pretty
> > much a web design lesson on what not to do. I wouldnt get to worries if:
> >
> > > With your Windows Live ID you can personalise your homepage, set up your own
> > > blog through Spaces and access sites and services provided by Optus and ninemsn.
> >
> > Im sure I can find better ways to personilise my homepage, and maybe even blog.
> >
> > Further:
> > > In the coming months, we'll replace your current OptusNet Webmail service with
> > > an enhanced Windows Live Mail service. This means your login details, webmail
> > > and contact records will be transitioned to Microsoft so we can provide you with
> > > a vastly improved Webmail and calendar service.
> >
> > Its time to use gmail perhaps? Sounds like they are just outsourceing your
> > web mail to hotmail so they dont need to maintain it.
> >
> > The important thing is not to worry - linux users are already the majority in
> > the ISP world - and if they cant use a service you can quite easily switch to
> > another carrier. Note that if you signed up for a contract, and they changed
> > the access method, so that you can not use their services any more - you can
> > just terminate the contract (contracts work both ways). We cant really stop
> > people from shooting themselves in the foot - we can just laugh at them when
> > they do.
> >
> > Michael.
> >
> > On Sat, Feb 10, 2007 at 09:39:46AM +1100, Duncan Roe wrote:
> > > Hi everyone,
> > >
> > > Most of you will likely not have seen this because you have TransACT in
> > > Canberra, or ADSL or whatever. But here in Melbourne, Optus Cable has served my
> > > needs well, until now.
> > >
> > > The email below appears to indicate a plan to cut off all but Windoze lusers
> > > from their webmail service.
> > >
> > > I have already responded to their feedback URL regarding this plan. But I doubt
> > > if one response will make any difference - even if it did refrain from being
> > > impolite or abusive.
> > >
> > > Perhaps anyone with an Optus home phone would like to chip in? Or what about
> > > SLUG members? - anyone on Optus cable in Sydney?
> > >
> > > <rant>The Linux community needs to demonstrate its numbers when the telco's
> > > marketing departments dream up wrong-headed schemes like this one, or tolerate
> > > second-class service. </rant>
> > >
> > > How about it, guys?
> > >
> > > Cheers ... Duncan.
> > >
> > > P.S. In a separate response I suggested they publish their terms & conditions
> > > other than as Word docs (I said pdf would be fine).
> > >
> > > ----- Forwarded message from myzoo at optusnet.com.au -----
> > >
> > > X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.420 (Entity 5.420)
> > > Subject: Welcome to myZOO
> > > From: myzoo at optusnet.com.au
> > > To: duncan_roe at optusnet.com.au
> > > Date: Tue, 6 Feb 2007 09:37:17 +1100
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ============================================================
> > >
> > > Your new Optus homepage is here.
> > >
> > > ============================================================
> > >
> > > The new myZOO site is here!
> > >
> > > As featured in past newsletters and on the OptusNet homepage, Optus and ninemsn
> > > have been working together and have taken your feedback into consideration
> > > regarding myZOO BETA. As a result we've created a brand new site for you called
> > > myZOO. You can check out the latest horoscopes, news, weather, music charts,
> > > competitions and much more!
> > >
> > > Member Services is still just one click away.
> > >
> > > Member Services, Webmail and Usage details to manage your account are still just
> > > one click away, at the top of every page.
> > >
> > > Choose the content you want.
> > >
> > > You'll see various modules for different content like news and horoscopes.
> > > Simply drag the modules you want and drop them into place on the page. You can
> > > also select more or less content to be displayed for each module.
> > >
> > > Even more personalisation with Windows Live ID.
> > >
> > > On your first visit to myZOO, you'll be given the option to create a Windows
> > > Live ID. From then on, you'll use this ID to login to OptusNet services.
> > >
> > > With your Windows Live ID you can personalise your homepage, set up your own
> > > blog through Spaces and access sites and services provided by Optus and ninemsn.
> > >
> > > Exciting new services coming soon.
> > >
> > > Soon you'll be able to access all kinds of new services using your Windows Live
> > > ID.
> > >
> > > In the coming months, we'll replace your current OptusNet Webmail service with
> > > an enhanced Windows Live Mail service. This means your login details, webmail
> > > and contact records will be transitioned to Microsoft so we can provide you with
> > > a vastly improved Webmail and calendar service.
> > >
> > > At this time, if you haven't already, you will be required to create your
> > > Windows Live ID in order to access your Webmail records on the new service.
> > >
> > > Create your Windows Live ID now.
> > >
> > > We do encourage you to visit myZOO and create your Windows Live ID now to enjoy
> > > the extra personalisation. However, we'll send you a reminder and further
> > > instructions closer to the transition to Windows Live ID mail services. Your
> > > first use of this future service will be taken as acceptance of our new terms
> > > and conditions.
> > >
> > > If you have any questions or concerns regarding any of this information, please
> > > fill out the myZOO feedback form at
> > > http://www.optuszoo.com.au/help/cable/feedback and an Optus representative will
> > > reply to your query. You can also view the changes to terms and conditions at
> > > http://www.optus.com.au/sfoa.
> > >
> > > Go to myZOO now at http://www.optuszoo.com.au
> > >
> > > Regards, The Optus Customer Solutions Team
> > >
> > > ----- End forwarded message -----
> > >
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