Is Novell still in the dark ages?

Dale Shaw DShaw at
Tue Sep 3 15:59:57 EST 2002

I wasn't comparing NetWare and Unix, I was comparing NetWare and
Windows. I can see how it wasn't clear, especially on this list.

The same sort of things applies, though; you can't really use NetWare as
a "client" operating system *even you wanted to*. You don't sit down in
front of a NetWare server and read your e-mail, write scripts or browse
the web. If you want to use wonderful tools like greg, awk, pipes etc.
etc. then you can do it on a NetWare-connected client. It (the client)
could be running practically anything. NetWare can serve out files with
NFS, CIFS, Native NetWare (NCP), Native Mac (whatever).

I'm not trying to preach to the converted - I was just sticking up a bit
for NetWare. Having said that, I'm all about using the best tool for the
job and don't believe that Unix is always the best tool.

Let's talk about NDS :-)


-----Original Message-----
From: Paul Bryan [mailto:pa_bryan at] 
Sent: Tuesday, 3 September 2002 3:48 PM
To: Dale Shaw; Michael James
Cc: linux at
Subject: Re: Is Novell still in the dark ages?

On Tuesday 03 September 2002 14:19, Dale Shaw wrote:

> Don't try to compare NetWare with other operating systems that pretend
> to be "server operating systems". NetWare isn't a client operating
> system in disguise, therefore it doesn't provide much client
> functionality at the console.

I thought the issue was command line tools to do various things on the

> "Can we do that again piped into a file?"  "What's a pipe?"
> "Can we switch on logging?" "It might already be on, but where is the
> logfile?"

I couldn't imagine trying to do things without the old faithfuls - grep,
pipes etc. You don't need a GUI with these around.

> Functionality at the NetWare console has always been limited. The
> is client/server and Novell don't bloat up the server footprint by
> including a pretty interface to run commands in that should be run
> a management workstation. Since NetWare 5.0, though, there's been a
> graphical console available. It's actually X-Windows. No NetWare sites
> know have it running.

Theres no bloated server footprint from a nice GUI on unix unless you
it. We're talking about the power of the unix console, usually bash in
case of linux. It's not loaded till you login so you only "load" down
server when you run it. Wonderful stuff ;-)


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