[Samba] Good Bye SAMBA?!?!?

Wed Sep 28 10:17:22 UTC 2016

Go ahead!
On Sep 28, 2016 7:12 AM, "Sven Schwedas via samba" <samba at lists.samba.org>
wrote:

> Okay, can we ban the troll already?
>
> On 2016-09-28 10:58, Gilberto Nunes via samba wrote:
> > Oh come on, guys!
> > I am not saying who is better here, Linux, samba or Windows. I am well
> > aware about what OS is more solid etc...
> > I am just saying that in an enterprise grade, we need more professional
> > tools and better,  needs tools that almost anybody in your staff can
> > handle, if you become unavailable, for some reasons like a flu or
> > whatever...
> > That is it!
> > I love Linux/samba and other open-source tools and I will continue use
> it!
> > But for now and inside enterprise, at least for some environment, I will
> > use Microsoft.
> > Beside, in an enterprise environment, you would probably not concern
> about
> > who is pay the bill related Cal license or whatever!
> > They, the guys who owner the company and, mainly, the IT Manager wants
> the
> > job done quickly and well.
> > Consider for a moment the data center Windows server 2012. With one payed
> > server, you have unlimited VM's installed.
> > This kill for good Proxmox for example, a tool that I really love!!!
> > Just this example worth to paid license.
> > Samba, Linux, and many other open-source tools are very cool, believe me.
> > But sometimes, you just need save your job and going forward....
> > That's it!
> > On Sep 28, 2016 4:40 AM, "L.P.H. van Belle via samba" <
> samba at lists.samba.org>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> I'm glad to see you've come to the realization that Samba is just a
> >> console based rodent wheel and that Windows offers the professional
> >> CIFS_AD_DFS solution.
> >
> > If you need that, nobody stops u from using it, but remember.....
> >
> > EVERY DEVICE, routers/switchs/printers/phones/pcs/servers etc etc.
> > Which ...
> > Or gets an ip number of a windows server.
> > Or needed to access the server.
> > Or routes/passes it..  <<<  ofter forgoten..
> >
> > NEEDS A LICENCE.
> > Like, a CAL is required for each user or device that accesses the
> server..
> >
> > For me, i save about
> > 12 windows servers and licencing for it.
> > I save tons of ram and lots of disk space, by example.
> >
> > My Samba AD DC. ( needs min 1GB ram for now swapping. ) set to 2 GB.
> > Filesystem                                    Size  Used Avail Use%
> Mounted
> > /dev/xvda1                                    6.0G  993M  4.7G  18% /
> >
> >
> > A clean windows install is 30-40GB ..
> > So in the end you save a lot.
> > Backup time, !! restore time, data storage etc, etc.
> > You try to restore your windows AD DC in 20 min.
> > I can with debian and samba.
> > About 15 min for the debian install , 5min for restoring samba.
> >
> > And last, i my hardware breaks, i pull out disk put them in other servers
> > and boot up. Done.
> > Windows... boot, oww... Licence problems now, since most people use OEM
> > licences and not RETAIL.
> > But its all choice, thats the nice thing about free.
> > But if you compair compair the right way.
> >
> >>> Everything will be easier than go to linux console and try and try
> >>> and try and nothing happen
> > Yes, repeating your self wont help, test, document, change retest.
> > This is why i script my installs.
> >
> >
> >> Why would ANYBODY type a command when they could perform a bunch of
> >> mouse clicks
> > Because it save you a LOT of disk space, and less programms, let security
> > problems.. less problems in general.
> >
> > Management, yes, i use the windows RSAT tools, which works fine for me.
> > Once the servers are deployed i hardly do anything an a linux server
> beside
> > the security updates and reboot when needed.
> >
> > I'm a happy console user for long time now..
> >
> > And yes dont stare at one thing, use what you need and what is best for
> you
> > and your abilities.
> >
> >
> > Greetz,
> >
> > Louis
> >
> >
> >
> >> -----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
> >> Van: samba [mailto:samba-bounces at lists.samba.org] Namens Steve Litt via
> >> samba
> >> Verzonden: woensdag 28 september 2016 4:01
> >> Aan: samba at lists.samba.org
> >> Onderwerp: Re: [Samba] Good Bye SAMBA?!?!?
> >>
> >> On Tue, 27 Sep 2016 16:02:15 -0300
> >> Gilberto Nunes via samba <samba at lists.samba.org> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hi list
> >>>
> >>> I am sad, today! I start to study how windows deal with CIFS, Active
> >>> Directory and DFS, I just decide follow the other path!
> >>> I will give a try to windows tools....
> >>> The question is: why Linux doesn t have such tools to help and improve
> >>> server deployments?!?
> >>> Everything will be easier than go to linux console and try and try
> >>> and try and nothing happen!
> >>>
> >>> So, for now on, I will use Windows tool in my servers...
> >>> I know many of you guys, just love Linux... I also love Linux, but
> >>> came on! We have a hard way to do thing works properly...
> >>>
> >>> In Windows everything is just forward straight ahead.....
> >>>
> >>> Sorry! But it's time to shift!
> >>
> >> Better late than never.
> >>
> >> I'm glad to see you've come to the realization that Samba is just a
> >> console based rodent wheel and that Windows offers the professional
> >> CIFS_AD_DFS solution.
> >>
> >> Why would ANYBODY type a command when they could perform a bunch of
> >> mouse clicks. Better yet, you can automate Windows tools with a screen
> >> scraper and a keyboard injector, or with a top notch language like
> >> Powershell or Visual Basic.
> >>
> >> These Samba guys just want to install servers that never go down, but
> >> that's lazy thinking. Your server going down gives you the opportunity
> >> to do maintenance and updates. A server going down is like a circuit
> >> breaker: It's telling you something needs attention. These Samba
> >> servers don't have that: You could go years without knowing something's
> >> wrong if you don't look at your logs.
> >>
> >> Truth be told, it's been awhile since I gave Windows CIFS_AD_DFS a real
> >> workout. Have they implemented CIFS_AD_DFS config via registry yet?
> >> That's so much better than having your whole CIFS_AD_DFS configuration
> >> in that one silly flatfile smb.conf.
> >>
> >> I congratulate you on not blindly following the crowd to Samba, but
> >> instead incisively selecting Windows for your CIFS_AD_DFS server!
> >>
> >> SteveT
> >>
> >> Steve Litt
> >> September 2016 featured book: Twenty Eight Tales of Troubleshooting
> >> http://www.troubleshooters.com/28
> >>
> >>
> >>
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