[Samba] Good Bye SAMBA?!?!?

Wed Sep 28 10:07:26 UTC 2016

Okay, can we ban the troll already?

On 2016-09-28 10:58, Gilberto Nunes via samba wrote:
> Oh come on, guys!
> I am not saying who is better here, Linux, samba or Windows. I am well
> aware about what OS is more solid etc...
> I am just saying that in an enterprise grade, we need more professional
> tools and better,  needs tools that almost anybody in your staff can
> handle, if you become unavailable, for some reasons like a flu or
> whatever...
> That is it!
> I love Linux/samba and other open-source tools and I will continue use it!
> But for now and inside enterprise, at least for some environment, I will
> use Microsoft.
> Beside, in an enterprise environment, you would probably not concern about
> who is pay the bill related Cal license or whatever!
> They, the guys who owner the company and, mainly, the IT Manager wants the
> job done quickly and well.
> Consider for a moment the data center Windows server 2012. With one payed
> server, you have unlimited VM's installed.
> This kill for good Proxmox for example, a tool that I really love!!!
> Just this example worth to paid license.
> Samba, Linux, and many other open-source tools are very cool, believe me.
> But sometimes, you just need save your job and going forward....
> That's it!
> On Sep 28, 2016 4:40 AM, "L.P.H. van Belle via samba" <samba at lists.samba.org>
> wrote:
> 
>> I'm glad to see you've come to the realization that Samba is just a
>> console based rodent wheel and that Windows offers the professional
>> CIFS_AD_DFS solution.
> 
> If you need that, nobody stops u from using it, but remember.....
> 
> EVERY DEVICE, routers/switchs/printers/phones/pcs/servers etc etc.
> Which ...
> Or gets an ip number of a windows server.
> Or needed to access the server.
> Or routes/passes it..  <<<  ofter forgoten..
> 
> NEEDS A LICENCE.
> Like, a CAL is required for each user or device that accesses the server..
> 
> For me, i save about
> 12 windows servers and licencing for it.
> I save tons of ram and lots of disk space, by example.
> 
> My Samba AD DC. ( needs min 1GB ram for now swapping. ) set to 2 GB.
> Filesystem                                    Size  Used Avail Use% Mounted
> /dev/xvda1                                    6.0G  993M  4.7G  18% /
> 
> 
> A clean windows install is 30-40GB ..
> So in the end you save a lot.
> Backup time, !! restore time, data storage etc, etc.
> You try to restore your windows AD DC in 20 min.
> I can with debian and samba.
> About 15 min for the debian install , 5min for restoring samba.
> 
> And last, i my hardware breaks, i pull out disk put them in other servers
> and boot up. Done.
> Windows... boot, oww... Licence problems now, since most people use OEM
> licences and not RETAIL.
> But its all choice, thats the nice thing about free.
> But if you compair compair the right way.
> 
>>> Everything will be easier than go to linux console and try and try
>>> and try and nothing happen
> Yes, repeating your self wont help, test, document, change retest.
> This is why i script my installs.
> 
> 
>> Why would ANYBODY type a command when they could perform a bunch of
>> mouse clicks
> Because it save you a LOT of disk space, and less programms, let security
> problems.. less problems in general.
> 
> Management, yes, i use the windows RSAT tools, which works fine for me.
> Once the servers are deployed i hardly do anything an a linux server beside
> the security updates and reboot when needed.
> 
> I'm a happy console user for long time now..
> 
> And yes dont stare at one thing, use what you need and what is best for you
> and your abilities.
> 
> 
> Greetz,
> 
> Louis
> 
> 
> 
>> -----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
>> Van: samba [mailto:samba-bounces at lists.samba.org] Namens Steve Litt via
>> samba
>> Verzonden: woensdag 28 september 2016 4:01
>> Aan: samba at lists.samba.org
>> Onderwerp: Re: [Samba] Good Bye SAMBA?!?!?
>>
>> On Tue, 27 Sep 2016 16:02:15 -0300
>> Gilberto Nunes via samba <samba at lists.samba.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi list
>>>
>>> I am sad, today! I start to study how windows deal with CIFS, Active
>>> Directory and DFS, I just decide follow the other path!
>>> I will give a try to windows tools....
>>> The question is: why Linux doesn t have such tools to help and improve
>>> server deployments?!?
>>> Everything will be easier than go to linux console and try and try
>>> and try and nothing happen!
>>>
>>> So, for now on, I will use Windows tool in my servers...
>>> I know many of you guys, just love Linux... I also love Linux, but
>>> came on! We have a hard way to do thing works properly...
>>>
>>> In Windows everything is just forward straight ahead.....
>>>
>>> Sorry! But it's time to shift!
>>
>> Better late than never.
>>
>> I'm glad to see you've come to the realization that Samba is just a
>> console based rodent wheel and that Windows offers the professional
>> CIFS_AD_DFS solution.
>>
>> Why would ANYBODY type a command when they could perform a bunch of
>> mouse clicks. Better yet, you can automate Windows tools with a screen
>> scraper and a keyboard injector, or with a top notch language like
>> Powershell or Visual Basic.
>>
>> These Samba guys just want to install servers that never go down, but
>> that's lazy thinking. Your server going down gives you the opportunity
>> to do maintenance and updates. A server going down is like a circuit
>> breaker: It's telling you something needs attention. These Samba
>> servers don't have that: You could go years without knowing something's
>> wrong if you don't look at your logs.
>>
>> Truth be told, it's been awhile since I gave Windows CIFS_AD_DFS a real
>> workout. Have they implemented CIFS_AD_DFS config via registry yet?
>> That's so much better than having your whole CIFS_AD_DFS configuration
>> in that one silly flatfile smb.conf.
>>
>> I congratulate you on not blindly following the crowd to Samba, but
>> instead incisively selecting Windows for your CIFS_AD_DFS server!
>>
>> SteveT
>>
>> Steve Litt
>> September 2016 featured book: Twenty Eight Tales of Troubleshooting
>> http://www.troubleshooters.com/28
>>
>>
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