[Samba] Don't use .local

Mon Jan 5 04:52:04 MST 2015

this is not just a MS change..

more info see : 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.local

Louis

>-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
>Van: rowlandpenny at googlemail.com 
>[mailto:samba-bounces at lists.samba.org] Namens Rowland Penny
>Verzonden: maandag 5 januari 2015 12:43
>Aan: Matt .
>CC: samba at lists.samba.org
>Onderwerp: Re: [Samba] Don't use .local
>
>On 05/01/15 11:34, Matt . wrote:
>> Micrososft changed this statement a several of times.
>>
>> The only reason they did is because people using Apple are 
>complaining
>> some services are not working "well" on their OSX and it's a pain to
>> change the DNS name of your Business Server on Windows Server
>>
>> As said before, running on .alocal for Avahi works perfectly and mDNS
>> is only for small networks, and setting up some proper DNS is no
>> problem at all.
>>
>> To be honest, most sysadmins don't know much about DNS or how it
>> works, that's a fact where Microsoft has to deal with every day.
>>
>> Not using .local is actually a workaround and no solution 
>for an admin
>> which doesn't know what he is doing.
>>
>> 2015-01-05 12:27 GMT+01:00 Rowland Penny 
><rowlandpenny at googlemail.com>:
>>> On 05/01/15 11:18, Matt . wrote:
>>>> I'm not sure if I would not advise to use .local, 
>sometimes it seems
>>>> to be needed to make a proper location for a running 
>domain where even
>>>> .cityname cannot accomplish what you need.
>>>
>>> Hi, even microsoft don't recommend using .local, see
>>> 
>http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc726016%28v=ws.10%29.aspx/
>>>
>>> For the vast majority of people, using .local can and will 
>cause problems,
>>> so please, don't use it.
>>>
>>> Rowland
>>>
>>>
>>>> To be honest I don't run Avahi and will not either. Avahi 
>and mdns are
>>>> actually only designed because of of bad DNS management by system
>>>> administrators and have (Apple) users use all their 
>features, the same
>>>> for TV's and so on.
>>>>
>>>> If you really need Avahi or so run it on .alocal, etc. 
>Avahi and mDNS
>>>> are just there because most networks are bad in DNS design by the
>>>> admin and users will complain because of it.
>>>>
>>>> 2015-01-05 11:14 GMT+01:00 L.P.H. van Belle <belle at bazuin.nl>:
>>>>> Hai Achim,
>>>>>
>>>>> If everything is working correct, wel dont change the 
>domainname then.
>>>>> if resolving is setup correct you should not notice the problems.
>>>>> even with apple devices, and looks like you did that 
>already and correct.
>>>>>
>>>>> Its never adviced to change the domainname of a domain, 
>and if you do,
>>>>> make sure you know what to change.
>>>>> - DNS ( any dns/db tools, can be done with the windows 
>tools.  ( start
>>>>> here. )
>>>>> - samba DB ( ldbedit )
>>>>> - host files
>>>>> - any other router/device with the old domainname.
>>>>> - client pc's, remove the from the domain first and add 
>them after again.
>>>>> - you need to test applications, that are incompatible 
>with the domain
>>>>> rename, and if needed te be reinstalled.
>>>>> - reset all your acl's.
>>>>> etc..
>>>>>
>>>>> so imo, dont do it... i dont know how big you network is, 
>but i've dont
>>>>> it 2 times ( just windows servers )
>>>>> and it was hell.. ( ok was a few years ago, but still... )
>>>>>
>>>>> Im here in de middle of something same, and im completly 
>rebuilding my
>>>>> old network in a new network.
>>>>>
>>>>> and...
>>>>>
>>>>> happy new year to everybody, may to world get some peace, 
>and let we all
>>>>> keep a good healt.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Louis
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
>>>>>> Van: achim at ag-web.biz [mailto:samba-bounces at lists.samba.org]
>>>>>> Namens Achim Gottinger
>>>>>> Verzonden: maandag 5 januari 2015 10:55
>>>>>> Aan: Rowland Penny; samba at lists.samba.org
>>>>>> Onderwerp: Re: [Samba] Don't use .local
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Am 05.01.2015 um 10:28 schrieb Rowland Penny:
>>>>>>> On 05/01/15 07:00, Achim Gottinger wrote:
>>>>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I deployed an Samba 4 AD back in 2013 with .local, not
>>>>>> knowing it can
>>>>>>>> cause troubles with mDns.
>>>>>>>> On my linux server i did not install avahi and i do not
>>>>>> have mDns in
>>>>>>>> my nsswitch.conf hosts entry.
>>>>>>>> On windows machines i usually deinstall bonjour whenever it
>>>>>> shows up
>>>>>>>> and i do not install it when installing itunes.
>>>>>>>> Till now i have not had any dns resolve issues, still 
>i'd like to
>>>>>>>> change it to .loc or similar without having to reprovision ad.
>>>>>>>> Is this possible?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks in advance,
>>>>>>>> Achim
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Am 04.01.2015 um 13:16 schrieb Stefan Kania:
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>>>>>>>>> Hello everyone,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I know that many people know not to use .local, but in the
>>>>>> last weeks
>>>>>>>>> we had several People having problems using .local.
>>>>>>>>> So to all peopel starting implementing Samba 4 AD, read this:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://miketelahun.wordpress.com/2012/09/16/stop-using-local-as
>>>>>> -the-top-level-domain-for-your-lan/
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> So stop using .local as TLD. Maybe there should be a 
>BIIIIIG not
>>>>>>>>> inside the wiki?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Stefan
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>> It would seem that it is possible, see:
>>>>>>> 
>http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc738208%28v=ws.10%29.aspx
>>>>>>> Only problem, I do not know of any Unix tool to do it and do
>>>>>> not know
>>>>>>> if rendom.exe will work with a samba4 AD DC.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Rowland
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thank you for the link Rowland, gotta give it an try in an test
>>>>>> environment. But i guess i wait for version 4.2 before i 
>start testing.
>>>>>>
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>Ah, you just proved that people don't know what they are doing, by 
>sending the same email twice, once just to me and once again 
>to the list 
>and me.
>
>I understand what you are trying to say, but it totally misses the 
>point. using .local can and will interfere with avahi *unless* 
>you turn 
>avahi off. Only problem with this, by turning off avahi, you may break 
>something else. So the best option is to *not* use .local.
>
>Rowland
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