[Samba] Win98 join a PDC

[Alex Moen]

I did reply to this, but it doesn't seem to have made it to the list.  Also,
I have some new info.

First, the answers to the questions:

> -----Original Message-----
> From: samba-admin at lists.samba.org [mailto:samba-admin at lists.samba.org]On
> Behalf Of Van Sickler, Jim
> Sent: Friday, May 10, 2002 2:31 PM
> To: 'Alex Moen'; Van Sickler, Jim; samba at samba.org
> Subject: RE: [Samba] Win98 join a PDC
>
>
> Log in from the W98 client and run smbstatus
> on the server, to see what shows up....
>
> You can set the log level to 3 or higher, and
> look in the log.w98pc (or whatever the hostname is)
> during the failed/successful attempts to see
> why it fails the first time and works the second.

Attached is the text file of the log file requested.  The log level is at 3.
The computer name is itlaptop, the server name is testbox1234, the login
name is alexloc.

> The same (domain?) user account is being used on
> both the Win2k/W98 login attempts?

Yes.  It works perfectly on the Win2K server, but only every other time with
the Win98.  Also, I have tried this with another Win98 computer, and the
problem also shows itself there, so I don't believe that it's a client
issue...  Also, both the Win98 clients that I have tried work fine on our
main WinNT based network, isolated from the test network that I am
experiencing the problem with.

NEW INFORMATION:

I got frustrated, and grabbed a laptop that I have with RedHat 7.2 on it.  I
installed Samba 2.2.4 (compiled it from source, not RPM) and copied (!) the
smb.comf from the Sun machine to the Linux box.  It works!!!  The same
config on a Linux machine works, but does not on a Sun machine with the
exact same compiled version of Samba on it.  I installed the user exactly
the same way, with the same shares and login name/password combination.  (I
did kill samba processes on the Solaris box b4 bringing it up on Linux.)

Now: the question is what is different.  The Linux box is using MD5
passwords, while the Solaris is using crypt.  Could this be a problem?  I
don't think so, but I am not sure...  The only other thing I can think of is
a compile time problem that is not allowing things to work well on the
Solaris.

Any ideas out there in Sambaland???

Thanks for all of the help so far!!!

Alex


> >
> > Tried this... didn't help.
> >
> > An update: I got the Win2K machine to finally join the domain
> > using "root"
> > and it's password.  I hate that, but I am using a different
> > password for the
> > samba side than the Unix side.
> >
> > Also, I can log in using my regular domain account on the Win2K server
> > perfectly.  So, obviously samba is configured properly, and there's
> > something specific to Win98 that I am missing...
> >
> > It is ultimately consistent in logging in every other time...
> > even after a
> > logout, it takes two login attempts to get back in on the
> > Win98 client.
> >
> > Wierd.
> >
> > Alex
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: samba-admin at lists.samba.org
> > [mailto:samba-admin at lists.samba.org]On
> > > Behalf Of Van Sickler, Jim
> > > Sent: Friday, May 10, 2002 12:28 PM
> > > To: 'Alex Moen'; samba at samba.org
> > > Subject: RE: [Samba] Win98 join a PDC
> > >
> > >
> > > Make sure the clients/server have the server
> > > info in their hosts/lmhosts files.
> > >
> > > Jim
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Alex Moen [mailto:alexm at ndtel.com]
> > > > Sent: Friday, May 10, 2002 6:02 AM
> > > > To: samba at samba.org
> > > > Subject: RE: [Samba] Win98 join a PDC
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Good information, and I will definitely investigate this.
> >  However, my
> > > > domain right now is in a test situation (working on replacing
> > > > an NT 4.0
> > > > domain with this) and is not on our main network which does
> > > > consist of Cisco
> > > > switches.  I have it set up on a small cheapo switch,
> > > > isolated from the main
> > > > network, where the only thing that is on the switch is the
> > > > Samba box, the
> > > > W2K box, and the W98 client.  Also, DHCP shows no signs of
> > > > any problems: the
> > > > workstation gets an address with no delay.
> > > >
> > > > Any other ideas that I can try?
> > > >
> > > > Thanks!!
> > > >
> > > > Alex
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: samba-admin at lists.samba.org
> > > > [mailto:samba-admin at lists.samba.org]On
> > > > > Behalf Of Mac
> > > > > Sent: Friday, May 10, 2002 4:58 AM
> > > > > To: samba at samba.org
> > > > > Subject: Re: [Samba] Win98 join a PDC
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > >From: Dirk Allaert <da at schaubroeck.be>
> > > > > >To: Alex Moen <alexm at ndtel.com>
> > > > > >Cc: samba at lists.samba.org
> > > > > >Subject: Re: [Samba] Win98 join a PDC
> > > > > >Date: Fri, 10 May 2002 10:46:32 +0200
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >Alex Moen wrote:
> > > > > >> Wierd thing #1:  Windows 98 client will NOT connect on
> > > > first attempt:
> > > > > >> type in username and password, hit enter, wait 2
> > minutes, failure
> > > > > >> message.  Click OK on the failure popup, hit enter again
> > > > on the login
> > > > > >> dialogue, wait another 2 minutes and client logs in almost
> > > > > perfectly (by
> > > > > >> almost: trouble with home directory %u thingie).  Any ideas?
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >I am not sure this is a samba issue. I have also seen
> > this once a
> > > > > >Windows NT 4 PDC and a somebody reported me this on a
> > > > Windows 2000 ADC
> > > > > >(always with windows 98). Seemed to have to do with
> > > > networking stuff.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >I the Windows 2000 case, the guy that told me had
> > > > contacted CISCO (they
> > > > > >were using a CISCO layer 3 switch) and CISCO changed some
> > > > stuff on the
> > > > > >switch (don't know what). Same scenario for NT 4 case:
> > > > Baystack switch,
> > > > > >PC's with Accton network card. Changed speed on switches
> > > > (half duplex).
> > > > > >Problem did not completely disappear but sure improved.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > This sounds highly likely.  The Cisco 'stuff' they changed
> > > > was probably
> > > > > 'portfast'.
> > > > >
> > > > > See:-
> > > > >
> > > > > 	http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/473/12.html
> > > > >
> > > > > for an explnation of why it can tkae upto a minute for a
> > > > switch to start
> > > > > passing packets after the PC has come up.  Also some (Cisco
> > > > specific)
> > > > > steps you can take (with detailed instructions) to reduce
> > > > the problem.
> > > > > [One of the steps is to twiddle duplex settings, but it's
> > > > the very last
> > > > > thing to try].
> > > > >
> > > > >
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