To release Samba 4.0 'as is'

[simo]

On Thu, 2011-11-24 at 09:47 +1100, Andrew Bartlett wrote: 
> On Wed, 2011-11-23 at 16:26 -0500, simo wrote:
> > On Wed, 2011-11-23 at 11:56 -0500, Adam Tauno Williams wrote: 
> > > Quoting Andrew Bartlett <abartlet at samba.org>:
> > > >> However, as someone using Samba 4 in production (authentication for proxy-,
> > > >> file- and mailservers, domain controller, mail routing) I would like
> > > >> something distributions can build on. Personally I don't care about fs
> > > >> support in Samba 4, every serious organization can devote a seperate
> > > >> computer/server to it.
> > > >> For me I'd rather see monthly or bi-monthly packages in an Ubuntu PPA than
> > > >> an early Samba 4 release. Or maybe just some good guidance on how to
> > > >> package Samba 4 so people have something to start with.
> > > > One of the key reasons I wish to release Samba 4.0 is because so many
> > > > users are using it.  Our users should not have to find 'Samba4' in a
> > > > Ubuntu PPA just to get our AD DC on their distribution.
> > > > As a practical matter in the short term, once we get the bind9_dlz
> > > > changes in, I'll see about spinning another alpha to make it easier to
> > > > package.
> > > 
> > > +1
> > > 
> > > As a mere user the lack of packaging is an awful nuisance;  and as  
> > > long as it isn't 'released' the packaging is always going to be  
> > > sub-part and the 'support' [as far as distributions go] is going to be  
> > > second-class.  Since Samba is a big name a release will get a lot of  
> > > attention and playing nicely with Bind, NTP, and other packages will  
> > > become a priority - making using Samba4 much easier.
> > 
> > 
> > Packaging is currently one of the reason we *should* not release.
> > 
> > The current trees are still quite a mess, and adapting packages has been
> > hard and we found a ton of bugs already. More are to come as we explore
> > what does not work. Until all the duplication and stupid names like
> > smbclient3 vs smbclient are resolved the current build is in no way
> > production level shippable matter.
> 
> Simo,
> 
> I know you have had some challenges with packaging Samba4 in the past.
> I'm sorry you got caught needing the package the release between when I
> reworked our configure options, and when Metze reworked them more
> comprehensibly.   Do you have any specific issues that remain?  
> 
> I know we need to flip the names of the smbclient{,3} and ntlm_auth{,3}
> binaries, but is there anything else?
> 
> It is exactly this kind of issue I would like to focus on over the next
> few months. 


We will work out a more extensive list of things.

Now Thanksgiving is looming, I am not sure i will have time to reply
further before Monday or Tuesday (depending on the mountain of email
waiting for me on the other end of the Holiday).

I guess the same may be for other members living in the USA.

Simo.

-- 
Simo Sorce
Samba Team GPL Compliance Officer <simo at samba.org>
Principal Software Engineer at Red Hat, Inc. <simo at redhat.com>