(Was Caution Stoopid Newbie) - A better (Longer) explanation

[McEldowney, Michael]

I concur with Mark.  Don't blow away your NT box yet.  That's premature,
and I don't think it will help in this case.  One more question, what is
the name of the domain that your NT box is PDC of?  Is it "MYDOMAIN" as
well, or something different?  If it's different, have you changed the
98 box to log on to "MYDOMAIN" in the Network settings?

If all of that looks right to you, then I would suggest taking Mark's
advice and blow away your Win98 network settings, reboot, then reinstall
them.  I too have had to resort to this as the only way to make a Win98
box accept changes.

Mike

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mark Haney [mailto:mhaney at info4cars.com]
> Sent: Monday, April 09, 2001 7:48 AM
> To: Jet Set Willy; McEldowney, Michael; samba-ntdom at samba.org
> Subject: RE: (Was Caution Stoopid Newbie) - A better (Longer)
> explanation
> 
> 
> Hold up a second.  Don't reinstall NT unless you can figure 
> out what the
> deal is with Samba.  I mean, if you can't login with the NT 
> box running,
> blowing that box away isn't going to fix the problem.  The 
> problem is with
> one of the other 2 boxes.
> 
> There are 2 things I don't see in here.  Is the logon.bat file in the
> \netlogon share of the _samba_ box now?  Or is it still on 
> the NT box?  This
> _is_ rather important. :)
> Second, do you have the 98 box setup to login to the new 
> Samba based domain?
> I know that's a rather silly one at this stage, but I don't 
> recal that ever
> being explicitly said so I needed to ask to make sure.
> 
> I have 2 possible explanations for this, which I have, as 
> yet, been unable
> to test.  One is the possibility that the Samba box _still_ 
> thinks it's part
> of the NT domain and redirects the credentials to the NT box. 
>  Although, to
> be honest, I have never seen this problem before as most of 
> the time the
> Samba server that replaces the NT server isn't a member of 
> the domain first.
> It's just installed on the network as the PDC. So, I don't 
> know that that
> has ever been tested.  (Surely someone has done that, but I 
> haven't.) I do
> not think this the likely issue here.
> 
> The Win98 box is almost certainly the problem.  Win9x barely 
> logs in to an
> NT domain, much less moving to a new domain from an old one.  
> Best way to
> diagnose this one is with a packet sniffer and look at the 
> SMB calls made by
> the client.  I can't tell you how many times I have had to 
> uninstall TCP/IP
> (and in some cases the NIC driver as well) on a Win9x client 
> in order to get
> it moved, or added, to a domain. Because 9x is more or less a 
> hamstrung
> version of NT (in fact it was _never_ designed to be used in 
> a business
> environment where you would encounter NT domains), it caches 
> and stores alot
> of stuff.  In the case of NT workstation, if the PDC isn't 
> available, it
> will search for a BDC.  This is also true of 9x but isn't as reliable.
> There may be a reg hack that will fix the caching problem by 
> fluching all
> that data out, but I haven't found it and pulling all the networking
> components and re-installing them have _always_ worked.  I 
> would try that in
> stead of blowing away your NT box.
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: samba-ntdom-admin at lists.samba.org
> [mailto:samba-ntdom-admin at lists.samba.org]On Behalf Of Jet Set Willy
> Sent: Monday, April 09, 2001 5:18 AM
> To: McEldowney, Michael; 'Mark Haney'; samba-ntdom at samba.org
> Subject: Re: (Was Caution Stoopid Newbie) - A better (Longer)
> explanation
> 
> 
> Well this problem just gets stranger and stranger....
> I hate to say it and I am very sorry about it but I strongly
> suspect that it wasn't *quite* as broken as I thought.
> However there is definitely something strange going
> on and I reckon it is a combination of the messages
> that have been kindly suggested by everyone.
> 
> The samba machine *is* "logging" me in. I have remembered
> to bring along my smb.conf and from this you can see my
> logon script is called logon.bat (showing my ms background)
> all this does is echo a whole load of lines so I can check
> if it is being run or not  - it is ! However this only works
> if I have the original NT machine switched on (remember
> the first thing I did was turn it off ?) if I have the NT machine
> turned off it won't allow logins at all - comes up with the
> can't find the domain server etc etc message. Boot up
> the NT machine and the samba machine is immediatly
> happy and allows logins. So it looks like the samba machine
> is still somehow tied in with the original NT PDC.
> 
> Thus tonights bonus task will be : Formating and reinstalling
> the NT machine as a standalone within the domain.
> 
> Unless anyone knows better ?
> 
> Just for information here is my smb.conf file - don't really know
> which are the important bits so I'm afraid this is everything with
> one note - I do have two nw cards and eth1 card is the one
> on the network ( the other is in preparation for cable modem)
> 
> # Samba config file created using SWAT
> # from UNKNOWN (0.0.0.0)
> # Date: 2001/04/08 14:39:01
> 
> # Global parameters
> [global]
>  workgroup = MYDOMAIN
>  netbios name = My Machine
>  netbios aliases = first second
>  server string = Its the linux box!
>  interfaces = eth1
>  bind interfaces only = No
>  security = USER
>  encrypt passwords = Yes
>  update encrypted = No
>  allow trusted domains = Yes
>  hosts equiv =
>  min passwd length = 5
>  map to guest = Never
>  null passwords = No
>  password server =
>  smb passwd file = /etc/smbpasswd
>  root directory = /
>  passwd program = /bin/passwd
>  passwd chat = *new*password* %n\n *new*password* %n\n *changed*
>  passwd chat debug = No
>  username map = /etc/user.map
>  password level = 0
>  username level = 0
>  unix password sync = No
>  restrict anonymous = No
>  use rhosts = No
>  log level = 0
>  syslog = 1
>  syslog only = No
>  log file = /var/log/samba/log.%m
>  max log size = 50
>  timestamp logs = Yes
>  debug hires timestamp = No
>  debug pid = No
>  debug uid = No
>  protocol = NT1
>  read bmpx = No
>  read raw = Yes
>  write raw = Yes
>  nt smb support = Yes
>  nt pipe support = Yes
>  nt acl support = Yes
>  announce version = 4.2
>  announce as = NT
>  max mux = 50
>  max xmit = 65535
>  name resolve order = lmhosts host wins bcast
>  max packet = 65535
>  max ttl = 259200
>  max wins ttl = 518400
>  min wins ttl = 21600
>  time server = No
>  change notify timeout = 60
>  deadtime = 0
>  getwd cache = Yes
>  keepalive = 300
>  lpq cache time = 10
>  max disk size = 0
>  max open files = 10000
>  read prediction = No
>  read size = 16384
>  shared mem size = 1048576
>  socket options = TCP_NODELAY SO_RCVBUF=8192 SO_SNDBUF=8192
>  stat cache size = 50
>  load printers = Yes
>  printcap name = /etc/printcap
>  printer driver file = /etc/printers.def
>  strip dot = No
>  character set =
>  mangled stack = 50
>  coding system =
>  client code page = 850
>  stat cache = Yes
>  domain groups =
>  domain admin group =
>  domain guest group =
>  domain admin users =
>  domain guest users =
>  machine password timeout = 604800
>  add user script =
>  delete user script =
>  logon script = logon.bat
>  logon path =
>  logon drive =
>  logon home =
>  domain logons = Yes
>  os level = 65
>  lm announce = Auto
>  lm interval = 60
>  preferred master = Yes
>  local master = Yes
>  domain master = Yes
>  browse list = Yes
>  dns proxy = Yes
>  wins proxy = No
>  wins server =
>  wins support = Yes
>  wins hook =
>  kernel oplocks = Yes
>  ole locking compatibility = Yes
>  oplock break wait time = 10
>  smbrun = /usr/bin/smbrun
>  config file =
>  preload =
>  lock dir = /var/lock/samba
>  default service =
>  message command =
>  dfree command =
>  valid chars =
>  remote announce =
>  remote browse sync =
>  socket address = 0.0.0.0
>  homedir map =
>  time offset = 0
>  unix realname = No
>  NIS homedir = No
>  panic action =
>  comment =
>  path =
>  alternate permissions = No
>  revalidate = No
>  username =
>  guest account = nobody
>  invalid users =
>  valid users =
>  admin users =
>  read list =
>  write list =
>  force user =
>  force group =
>  read only = Yes
>  create mask = 0744
>  force create mode = 00
>  security mask = -1
>  force security mode = -1
>  directory mask = 0755
>  force directory mode = 00
>  directory security mask = -1
>  force directory security mode = -1
>  guest only = No
>  guest ok = No
>  only user = No
>  hosts allow =
>  hosts deny =
>  status = Yes
>  max connections = 0
>  min print space = 0
>  strict sync = No
>  sync always = No
>  print ok = No
>  postscript = No
>  printing = bsd
>  print command = lpr -r -P%p %s
>  lpq command = lpq -P%p
>  lprm command = lprm -P%p %j
>  lppause command =
>  lpresume command =
>  queuepause command =
>  queueresume command =
>  printer name =
>  printer driver = NULL
>  printer driver location =
>  default case = lower
>  case sensitive = No
>  preserve case = Yes
>  short preserve case = Yes
>  mangle case = No
>  mangling char = ~
>  hide dot files = Yes
>  delete veto files = No
>  veto files =
>  hide files =
>  veto oplock files =
>  map system = No
>  map hidden = No
>  map archive = Yes
>  mangled names = Yes
>  mangled map =
>  browseable = Yes
>  blocking locks = Yes
>  fake oplocks = No
>  locking = Yes
>  oplocks = Yes
>  level2 oplocks = No
>  oplock contention limit = 2
>  strict locking = No
>  share modes = Yes
>  copy =
>  include =
>  exec =
>  preexec close = No
>  postexec =
>  root preexec =
>  root preexec close = No
>  root postexec =
>  available = Yes
>  volume =
>  fstype = NTFS
>  set directory = No
>  wide links = Yes
>  follow symlinks = Yes
>  dont descend =
>  magic script =
>  magic output =
>  delete readonly = No
>  dos filetimes = No
>  dos filetime resolution = No
>  fake directory create times = No
> 
> [homes]
>  comment = Home Directories
>  read only = No
>  create mask = 0750
> 
> [printers]
>  comment = All Printers
>  path = /var/spool/samba
>  print ok = Yes
>  browseable = No
> 
> [tmp]
>  comment = Temporary File space
>  path = /tmp
>  read only = No
>  guest ok = Yes
> 
> [projects]
>  comment = Development Projects
>  path = /home/projects
>  read only = No
>  create mask = 0750
> 
> [d]
>  path = /home/the_d_drive
>  read only = No
> 
> [RPM_Updates]
>  comment = Updates for RPM Packages
>  path = /var/lib/rpm/updates
>  write list = @development
>  read only = No
> 
> [netlogon]
>  comment = logon share
>  path = /netlogon
> 
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