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Karl Denninger
karl at Denninger.Net
Mon Sep 25 23:32:35 GMT 2000
On Mon, Sep 25, 2000 at 04:24:42PM -0700, Jeremy Allison wrote:
> Karl Denninger wrote:
> >
> > You're welcome to boil whatever you want, but from my perspective what I
> > see here is a bunch of cats fighting.
>
> This is unhelpful.
The truth is unhelpful?
Get over yourselves.
> > There is no harm in this. Further, he didn't have to be "offered"
> > anything, since Samba is publically CVSable. He could have told you to
> > piss up a rope and done it without you (see the multiple times it was
> > done with *BSD for examples)
>
> This was not a fork based on the public CVS code tree,
> this was a fork based on *secure* ssh access to the real
> CVS repository. Such a fork does require privillaged access
> to the CVS repository.
Ah, so you're not a truly open-source project.
Thanks.
You just made CERTAIN that I have no interest in helping you - unless,
of course, that policy changes. <smile>
> And don't hold up the *BSD's as an example - they are not
> a good example for Open Source projects staying together.
They're not? Gee, they seem to be doing quite well, despite the splits
and fights.
FreeBSD FS.Denninger.net 4.1-STABLE FreeBSD 4.1-STABLE #0: Wed Sep 20 13:32:02 CDT 2000 karl at FS.Denninger.Net:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/KARL i386
I personally STRONGLY DISLIKE the FreeBSD CORE members, believing they are
a bunch of bombastic assholes. Nonetheless, the software is better IMHO
than the alternatives when taken in total, which is why I still run it.
> > Timeline please.
> >
> > That, by the way, is all the people who are carping here are asking for -
> > and have been now for quite a while (well over a year.)
>
> Carping is easy. Writing code is hard. If you want PDC, help
> code it. No other options are acceptible.
That's unhelpful.
If I ask a very reasonable question and get told to write it myself, I just
might, but why would I do it under YOUR auspices and with YOU being the
"head" of things?
Why not do it and tell YOU to go piss up that same rope? What possible
incentive do I have to put up with the attitude as well as the technical
challenges?
This might have had something to do with what drove Luke away......
> The full NT RPC printing support for 2.2 has taken around 2
> person years of effort. This is just *one* of the RPC subsystems.
Yep.
> Getting to something that "sort of" works is hard enough. Going
> the rest of the way so that something like MS Exchange can use
> a Samba PDC, so the BDC's can replicate with it - that's harder still.
I am fully aware of this.
> > When the public is ignored in its requests for PDC timelines (and it has
> > been) then this is what you can expect to see in response.
>
> PDC will ship when the code is ready and working. That's the only valid
> timeline possible to commit to.
You mean *IF* it is (ever) ready and working.
Until you set published targets, the word is IF, not WHEN.
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