[Samba] Samba first time run

[Rowland Penny]

On 28/03/2023 10:52, Lm Loge via samba wrote:
> @RowlandPenny
> 
> I stick to it. You are unpleasant.

No, I am not, you just perceive me to be unpleasant, what I am and I 
know I am, is terse, why waste a thousand words when two or three will 
suffice ? At 67 years old, I do not think I will change.

> I don't want you to answer my posts anymore.

OK, then do not post again.


> Not here, or on StackExchange, like one or two months ago, where I was 
> trying to avoid your answers.
> (I was happy, at the end of 2019, the last time I had to care about 
> Samba, when Van Belle took care of me with kindness and efficiency 
> (within a couple of days the problem was solved). You answered first but 
> fortunately for me, Van Belle took the case.)

It is unlikely that Louis will be posting again, more I will not say.

> 
> And if nobody answers my posts anymore, well... that's more your problem 
> as a "Samba team" than mine.

No that is your problem, I have apologised for the way I answered, you 
are not good enough to accept that apology.

> Personally, I know I am doing my best, at my level, even if YOU think I 
> am "asking such basic things" given I am saying "have some experience of 
> using Samba".
> It is the case, I have several years of experience with Samba, even if I 
> am not good at it.

If you have all this experience with Samba, then why did you think that 
you could just install Samba and use it without configuring it ? Do you 
install other packages (NFS for instance) without configuring them and 
expect them to work ?

> Which is not entirely my responsibility. Look at the documentation 
> available on the Internet: obsolete, dating back from the Samba 3 times, 
> not updated, and the wiki which is not practical at all for learning. 
> No, it is not practical, sorry: a wiki is not a proper form for a 
> documentation or an educational material.

What is on the internet is outside the control of Samba and yes, most of 
it is useless. A wiki can be useful, but only when written correctly and 
regularly updated. It also helps if people point out problems (which you 
have), these problems can then be corrected/improved.

> 
> I hope you don't really realize how despising that is to tell such a 
> thing to an "OP", as you say.

No, I didn't, but I feel that there may be a cultural difference going 
on here, I do not set out to upset anyone.

> So, I am telling you.
> Especially given the fact that you are, as you say, trying your best to 
> help people, with generosity.
> What if a "stupid" person needs a certain answer to go on with her work?
> Maybe that person is not thinking like you do and should be respected 
> anyway, shouldn't she or he?
> By the way, we are not "OPs", we are people, hidden behind our 
> computers, but still people. I am not a bot.

Ah, the problem is, nowadays you can get really deep into trouble for 
connecting a name with a gender, until now I wasn't 100% sure that 'Lea' 
was a girls name, so for that, I apologise.

> 
> If I want to install from the sources, as explained in the wiki, which 
> is the only documentation I have access to, I do it. (But maybe the wiki 
> is not a reliable source of information?).

It is reliable for what it is intended for, but it would seem that it 
needs some attention. A user should really only compile Samba if they 
wish to test something, for all other purposes it is better to use the 
Samba packages supplied by a distro. If you do compile Samba yourself, 
then you are responsible for making all the connections required (PATH, 
winbind nss links, startup scripts etc).

> What type of installation I am doing, should be doing or not, was not 
> part of my original question.

But that is the way I read it and as such, that may be my problem.

> I was just explaining what I had been doing so that the forum know the 
> context which is mine.
> If I hadn't done that, the forum would have asked.
> 
> It is not because I am asking a "basic thing", I should give up on the 
> choice I have made, because you, and others, think I should go another 
> SUPPOSEDLY easier way.

But you didn't explain why you had done it that way, you just said that 
I have done this and nothing works.

> It is not the first time you discuss my choices.
> If you don't remember, I do. (And if you have real memory problems, I 
> SINCERELY apologize because you can't help it).

Nothing really wrong with my memory.

> 
> I don't trust you. You told me, the other day, with your habitual 
> self-importance: transfer your present AD DC FSMO roles to your new DC 
> and then demote the old one.

If you are going to remove the old DC, then that would be good practice.

> Well, I won't do it because I am 99% sure it will break both old DC and 
> the new one. I know it because it happened to me every time in the past 
> when I had to deal with you.

If transferring FSMO roles from one DC to another breaks something, then 
it sounds like you have another underlying problem.

> I admit I am not good at Samba. Maybe a specialist would do it without 
> any difficulty.

I cannot answer that.

> 
> By the way, I have the answer to my question.
> It was really not that useful to bother me again (with your introductory 
> "why???") and provoke my anger.

It wasn't meant in that way and if you took it in that way, then perhaps 
it says something about you. It was meant as a question (yes, perhaps I 
could have asked a longer question) but it boiled down to why were you 
compiling Samba.

> That's a fact: starting Samba when no provision or join or standalone 
> stuff (yes, "stuff": see what a crap I am with Samba) has been made, 
> ends up with a failure.
> It's not written in the wiki, hence my original question.

It hasn't ever been written in the wiki and you are the first person to 
point this out. I will fix this though.

> 
> As you say, my question was probably basic and only deserved a basic 
> answer given with respect.
> You should be happy because I you'll have one less person to help in the 
> future.
> -- 
> Léa Massiot
> 
> 

I am really sorry if I have upset you (and it sounds like I have), it 
was never my intention and I can only apologise for any hurt I have 
caused you.

Rowland