[Samba] Samba4 AD DNS -- AD Subdomain vs Clients accessing on different subdomain

Fri May 6 17:49:09 UTC 2016

> Clients are not being pointed correctly, clients joined to the domain should be pointed at the DCs first, anything they do not know, they ask their forwarders.

Although I agree that what you’re suggesting is a sane configuration, there are other ways to do it and I have tried it both ways. As I’ve explained in my first post, curgently all clients are pointed at BIND servers which forward all requests for ad.companyname.com to the S4 AD DC DNS servers. The S4 AD servers are authoritative for zone ad.companyname.com. The zone is resolvable whether or not you point at the BIND servers or the DCs directly.

> He needs to stop using his main DNS servers for queries about the AD domain and as you have pointed out, his clients need to use the DNS domain name of the AD DCs

My DNS configuration is working — BUT I have also pointed the clients directly at the Samba4 domain controller DNS servers and that does not make any difference. Few of the computers are joined to the domain (They are macs). This domain is primarily used for authentication.

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> On May 6, 2016, at 11:10 AM, Rowland penny <rpenny at samba.org> wrote:
> 
> On 06/05/16 13:01, mathias dufresne wrote:
>> 2016-05-06 9:39 GMT+02:00 Rowland penny <rpenny at samba.org>:
>> 
>>> On 05/05/16 21:46, Thomas Maerz wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Hello,
>>>> 
>>>> We have an issue we’ve been struggling with for quite some time since we
>>>> rolled out 10 Samba4 domain controllers at our main office and all remote
>>>> sites about 3 years ago.
>>>> 
>>>> Simplified Current Configuration:
>>>> 
>>>> 2 DCs at main site with internal DNS using subdomain ad.companyname.com
>>>> 2 BIND CentOS servers serving all intranet DNS requests — main zone:
>>>> companyname.com
>>>> 2 BIND CentOS servers serving all external site DNS requests — main zone:
>>>> companyname.com
>>>> 
>>>> In this configuration, we have configured the internal BIND servers to
>>>> have the S4 AD DCs internal DNS as authoritative for ad.companyname.com,
>>>> so clients connected to the BIND servers can resolve anything Samba needs
>>>> them to. This allows all client machines on the LAN to resolve any dynamic
>>>> DNS address AD creates, join the domain, etc, and it’s easy to configure
>>>> when provisioning new DCs. (This is important with so many DCs).
>>>> 
>>>> When we provision servers which are bound to the domain, clients access
>>>> them via DNS entries configured on the main BIND DNS servers, so they have
>>>> addresses like hostname.companyname.com, which clients use to connect to
>>>> the servers/services. They also have ad.companyname.com hostnames
>>>> created by S4 internal DNS, but we don’t point clients at those names.
>>>> 
>>>> The problem:
>>>> 
>>>> Some services (mostly OS X server that we’ve noticed so far) when bound
>>>> to AD don’t seem to like having the clients pointed at a different DNS name
>>>> than the samba subdomain. For example:
>>>> 
>>>> OS X Server, bound to AD, running SMB file server:
>>>> 
>>>> When connecting to fileserver.companyname.com
>>>> The user must authenticate as ad.companyname.com\shortname OR
>>>> The user must authenticate as shortname at ad.brewerscience.com
>>>> Using AD\shortname does not work
>>>> When connecting to fileserver.ad.brewerscience.com
>>>> The user can authenticate as just short name
>>>> 
>>>> Another example:
>>>> 
>>>> OS X Server, bound to AD, running Profile Manager:
>>>> 
>>>> Users can authenticate to the PHP web interface
>>>> Users can’t authenticate during device enrollment on the iOS device with
>>>> their AD credentials
>>>> 
>>>> Notes:
>>>> 
>>>> In the first example, one solution is to simply point the clients at
>>>> fileserver.ad.companyname.com, but management is resistant to this idea.
>>>> In the second example for the profile manager MDM, The server lives on the
>>>> DMZ so that off-campus clients still connect to the MDM and it has both
>>>> internal and external DNS entries, so having a public facing
>>>> ad.companyname.com address is not a great option.
>>>> 
>>>> Questions:
>>>> 
>>>> Would setting up a WINS server help with this?
>>>> 
>>> Probably not
>>> 
>>> Would setting a default search domain from DHCP help with this?
>>> Possibly
>>> 
>>> Is there some way to have a Samba4 AD-Joined host have a domain name on
>>>> the base domain (actually, not just a separate record on BIND pointing to
>>>> the same IP)?
>>>> If so, is it possible to do this with the internal DNS?
>>>> Is there some way to integrate Samba4 AD DNS directly with my intranet
>>>> BIND DNS setup so that domain-joined hosts get DNS names not the base DNS
>>>> domain (companyname.com)?
>>>> 
>>> Your main problem is that your DCs dns servers are not authoritative for
>>> the AD domain. Make the DCs authoritative for the AD domain, with 10 DCs
>>> you will probably be better off running Bind on the DCs. Once the DCs are
>>> authoritative, make them forward anything they do not know i.e. internet
>>> etc to your intranet DNS servers.
>>> 
>>> Rowland
>> 
>> @Rowland:
>> The original poster claimed that his AD DNS server are authoritative.
>> 
>> The AD DNS server using internal DNS backend has nothing - according to my
>> own knowledge - to not being authoritative. They own the zones, they host
>> them, they manage them, they are the only servers able to reply directly to
>> request on these zones...
>> 
>> So why these AD DNS server would not be authoritative of their own zones?
> 
> He posted this:
> 
> When we provision servers which are bound to the domain, clients access
> them via DNS entries configured on the main BIND DNS servers, so they have
> addresses like hostname.companyname.com <http://hostname.companyname.com/>, which clients use to connect to
> the servers/services. They also have ad.companyname.com <http://ad.companyname.com/> hostnames
> created by S4 internal DNS, but we don’t point clients at those names.
> 
> 
> Clients are not being pointed correctly, clients joined to the domain should be pointed at the DCs first, anything they do not know, they ask their forwarders.
> 
> He needs to stop using his main DNS servers for queries about the AD domain and as you have pointed out, his clients need to use the DNS domain name of the AD DCs
> 
> Rowland
> 
>> 
>> @Thomas:
>> I would use tcpdump or any traffic analyser, filtering on domain port (TCP
>> + UDP), on the member servers where you have issues.
>> 
>> The point would be to see how behaves these servers regarding DNS requests
>> (around your issues).
>> 
>> Adding a search in resolv.conf would be a first point to try, but not sure
>> it solves the issue.
>> 
>> Louis van Belle told me there is a kernel configuration item to store the
>> domain of current server, that configuring domain suffix in that place is
>> sometimes better than doing it into resolv.conf. Unfortunately that was for
>> Linux systems, I have no idea how to do that (or there is a meaning trying
>> that) on Mac OS.
>> 
>> What seems to important is that your servers "think" they belong to AD
>> domain. In any ways. I had issues for some times ago with AD DC when they
>> weren't well configured about domain suffix. That was when I was trying to
>> use internal DNS (which I stopped because it is not comparable with Bind,
>> to say the least).
>> When I said servers should "think" they belong to AD domain is when you ask
>> them for FQDN they reply <hostname>.<AD domain>.
>> With Linux :
>> "hostname -f" has to reply <hostname>.<AD domain> when hostname should
>> reply only <hostname>.
>> 
>> According to the fact that your company seems to love their old (or real)
>> domain suffix, servers are configured to reply <hostname>.<company name>
>> rather than <hostname>.<AD domain>.
>> I have no idea why that would perturb things, but as these "things" are
>> numerous, one could rely on that and make the whole process to hang because
>> confusion between domains suffixes.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> 
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