[Samba] Books of Samba 4

Raymond raymond at joburgtheatre.com
Thu Mar 6 06:25:05 MST 2014

I entered this conversation from the tail end but my experience with samba4
and other technologies such as SOGO and Openchange was also not a easy
ride... but I saw the light 5 minutes ago by watchin Julien on Youtube.

I also tried the docs and got a bit stuck (lost) but I then google'd and
found a very nice video on youtube. Can't recall the URL now but this guy
took me step by step on how to install samba4 and in the end I had a working
samba4 setup... With GPO's I also google'd and found a URL that explained
how to setup the GPO part of things and now I have a working Samba4 AD/DC
server with GPO's.

My point is if you get stuck on the service providers' website then use the
internet a bit for alternatives. There are a lot of people who endured the
pain and when they succeeded they made the information available in more
detail to the public. If you want to see a classical process (and I think
the samba team went through the same thing) then watch this video

Don't bite the hand that feeds you... 

Try and see where the hand comes from. As with the video link... take some
time (it is long) but watch it... Julien basically opened my eyes to what is
happening to Openchange and the Zyntal project when I saw this video and
even in the video link you can see how the product is not perfect but still
work in progress... 

I think the same thing apples with samba4 ... the technologies that are
changing the world... We tend to think that it should be perfect when it is
available to the public but watch the video above and you will see or get
new found respect for the developers... and as Julien said... try it, use
it, and give us some feedback on the bugs you pickup... With samba4 I think
it is the same thing...

Now I am looking at zentyal, openchange and samba4 a bit differently in
regards to all my problems experienced with the software.

Just my 5 cent worth... 


-----Original Message-----
From: samba-bounces at lists.samba.org [mailto:samba-bounces at lists.samba.org]
On Behalf Of Petros
Sent: 06 March 2014 08:12 AM
To: samba at lists.samba.org
Subject: Re: [Samba] Books of Samba 4

Sorry about self-quoting..

Obviously Samba4 was planned differently as it is now, eg. with ntvfs, and
more of the samba3 code is there than planned. The structure of the Wiki
does not reflect it well, I think.

I spent more time "looking around" as others may, simply because I want to
use it under FreeBSD and ZFS and.. well, it makes cautious ..  
so I looked for background.

I cannot find a prominent entry point for a quick "I want to use Samba" -
how?" approach.

I suggest the one below, and wonder whether idea and place (Wiki start page,
Introduction) are right.

I am tempted "just to do it" but do not want to vandalize the wiki:-)

Or is this page or something similar there already, I just overlooked it?

It also would be cool to add an architectural overview somewhere, e.g.  
which modules are used by which configuration, and how they work together.

Even a few graphics with arrows;-)

It does a lot if you can understand what's going under the hood. A lot of
frustration comes from misunderstandings, especially if it does not work out
of the box.

For an admin who was not involved in the making it is not as obvious as for
a team member who spent months and years making it. The later knows exactly
what is running/configured/needed when.


Quoting Petros <Petros.Listig at fdrive.com.au>:

> Quoting "Andrew Bartlett" <abartlet at samba.org>
>> .. but at least for now samba-tool
>> is associated with operations that involve the AD DC, or other rarer 
>> modes of operation that use the 'samba' binary, and is generally not 
>> involved in operation of the standalone or domain member file server.
> This and the Wiki, is pretty much AD and particularly DC "centred".
> E.g. https://wiki.samba.org/index.php/Samba finds other usage under
> "5.2 Samba NT4-style domain documentation"
> Maybe a _very_ obvious_ starting point is needed:
> How do you want to setup your Sambas server?
> - As an AD DC? - goto http:..
> - As an AD member server? goto http:..
> - As a NT4 style PDC? goto http:..
> - As a NT4 style BDC? goto http:..
> - As a NT4 domain member? goto http:..
> - As a standalone server? goto http:..
> - As a server with authorization configured per share - goto fail
> Maybe it could be in the introduction of the mentioned page.
> Regards
> Peter

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