[Samba] Books of Samba 4
jmaloney at pcbsd.org
Wed Mar 5 18:11:43 MST 2014
This is coming from me, a user. As a user I've also spent many days and
nights researching how to properly deploy a samba setup with FreeBSD. I'd
be glad to share all of my knowledge at some point when I'm finished
However even if I or someone were to update the wiki with more specific
information regarding best practices it would be someone else investing
their free time so someone else doesn't have to. I suppose my point is
that this is an open source project. Contributions would be much more
welcome I would think over criticisms.
On Wed, Mar 5, 2014 at 6:25 PM, Tony Hain <tony at tndh.net> wrote:
> Rowland Penny wrote:
> > On 05/03/14 21:36, Gregory Sloop wrote:
> > > ---MASSIVE SNIP---
> > > P> This is the last that I will say on this subject.
> > >
> > > RP> Yes, samba4 was started out as a totally separate entity, but they
> > > RP> folded samba3 into samba4 to get the fileserver components etc.
> > > RP> You can set up samba 4 as either an AD DC, OR as anything a samba
> > > RP> 3.6 could do, it all depends on how you set it up.
> > > RP> Yes, samba 3 will come to end of life sometime around end of
> > > RP> August, but it will live on in samba 4.
> Your responses waffle between 'it is architecturally split' and 'it is a
> unified system'. In any case that doesn't matter because the architecture
> the backend daemon is irrelevant to entirely separate process of creating
> the single .conf file that any approach is reading.
> > >
> > > RP> If you want to get help, then I suggest you calm down, stop
> > > RP> complaining about what samba cannot do yet and concentrate on what
> > > RP> samba can do. If you stop and think about it, it is amazing just
> > > RP> what the samba devs have managed to do so far and it just keeps
> > getting better.
> I have never complained about what samba cannot do. I agree it is a very
> valuable collection of work. The issues I have are with the state of the
> documentation, and the lack of someone taking what appears to be an
> inconsequential amount of time to have the one item 'samba-tool' emit a
> clone of the wiki text for the role=member situation. If samba 3 is really
> going to be dead in August, then someone will need to fix this before then,
> because lots of people will be guided into using saba-tool as THE approach
> for configuring samba 4 by all kinds of blogs, and all the role=member
> instances will stumble over this. As a project management issue, it would
> appear to make sense to get that done ASAP so there is time to shake out
> issues before the real uptake in samba 4 migrations start. Then again, if
> the goal is a busy mail list, not fixing it will assure lots of questions.
> > >
> > > RP> Rowland
> > >
> > > I have to say, having been a poster, offering occasional help, and as
> > > someone following along on the list for more than a year...
> > >
> > > I've seen Steve, Marc, and Rowland, Andrew and many others offer a lot
> > > of help. Marc Steve and Rowland do it out of the goodness of their
> > > hearts and I see they must spend a LOT of time doing so.
> > >
> > > To take such a strident tone when they offer help and/or opinion
> > > really seems both counter-productive and offensive.
> > >
> > > I've read this thread over the last few days and if *I* were the one
> > > responding, it would have gotten PLONK'ed a LONG time ago. I don't
> > > have free time to dole out to people who want to bite the hand that
> > > feeds them.
> > >
> > > IMO, the tolerance for what seems like whining, at least to me, has
> > > been pretty forbearing.
> I don't believe I have been whining. If anything you are hearing a
> frustration from what appears to be a lack of listening to what was said,
> then just sending a canned response that 'if I only understood how the code
> is architected I would know not to ask the question to begin with'. The
> point of documentation is to avoid the need for everyone to "read the
> and figure it out". With the current inconsistent state of the
> documentation, reading the source might be faster.
> I understand completely how maintaining documentation during a version
> transition can be a lot of work. I also understand that more eyes looking
> it with different perspectives will find more issues. If anything, consider
> my voice to be on behalf of those who don't even bother to send in comments
> when they can't find what they need, then turn to google in hopes they will
> stumble across an answer that seems to solve their current issue.
> > >
> > > Just my two little cents.
> > >
> > > -Greg
> > >
> > I did say that I wouldn't post again on this, but I did an internet
> on this
> > guy and found this:
> > http://www.tndh.net/~tony/tony.htm
> > If this is the guy who is posting, then heaven help ipv6 in the USA, he
> > even set up samba ;-) ;-)
> Yes that is me. As I said in the part that was snipped off, I did have the
> samba 4 member server working and sharing files for AD accounts before I
> joined the mail list (though it did take a fair amount of outside-the-wiki
> research before I got there). I also have several other NT4-style
> stand-alone servers, including one that is acting as an IPv6 proxy to an
> IPv4-only nas appliance. The only reason I posted was to find out if there
> was something to stop the log file spew other than:
> load printers = no
> printing = bsd
> printcap name = /dev/null
> disable spoolss = yes
> that I had found in random email, because there is nothing on the wiki, and
> those statements are not working (looks like I will have to install cups
> just to get it to shut up). I probably should have just unsubscribed as
> as I got a 'that works here' response, but thought I could do a little to
> contribute to the effort by pointing out how the wiki looks to someone that
> doesn't do this on a daily basis. Clearly some here would rather be the
> center of attention as Q/A responders than fix the documentation for those
> inclined toward self-help.
> > Rowland
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