[Samba] Oplock problems with Office 97 and Windows 95 in Samba > 2.0.7
Hannu Virtanen
hkv at ipso.fi
Fri Nov 22 08:17:00 GMT 2002
Marian,
Now i am sure that this is not working(oplocks=no; veto oplock
files=/*.doc/*.xls/) at all with Windows 95. No, there are "none" at oplocks
with file locks, when oplocks=no. But, when i put oplocks=no and strict
locking=yes, this seems to work(at this time, have to test more; i do not
know the performance with strict locking). With these settings Excel still
uses oplocks, Word approves "none" for oplocks. I can say this only for now,
because the problems are not happening all the time only periodically.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Marian Mlcoch, Ing" <mm at tsmp.sk>
To: "Hannu Virtanen" <hkv at ipso.fi>
Cc: <samba at samba.sk>
Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2002 3:01 PM
Subject: Re: [Samba] Oplock problems with Office 97 and Windows 95 in Samba
> 2.0.7
> OK
> when you use smbstatus is oplock active on open files in share with
> oplocks=no?
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Hannu Virtanen" <hkv at ipso.fi>
> To: "Marian Mlcoch, Ing" <mm at tsmp.sk>
> Cc: <samba at samba.org>
> Sent: Thursday, November 21, 2002 12:17 PM
> Subject: Re: [Samba] Oplock problems with Office 97 and Windows 95 in
Samba
> > 2.0.7
>
>
> > Marian,
> > I mean that i have started from default settings and tried all off these
> > with no help. IRIX has maintenance and feature modes for operating
system.
> > Only feature mode supports kernel oplocks and i have maintenance
> > mode and kernel oplocks are not supported so it is same to have them off
> or
> > on(on gives very many messages to log-file and this is the reason to
have
> > kernel oplocks = no at this time. I am now trying these parameters at
> share
> > level(but i do not understand the difference;i will put all to defaults
at
> > global section and start with oplocks=no at share level or veto oplock
> > files). To change oplock break wait time was an advice in web and said
to
> > help to these kind of problems with Office 97(10 is also old default
> > allthough 0 is default for 2.2.6). We have mostly b and c versions of
> > windows 95 and by experiment errors concerns more Windows 95b version(i
do
> > not know any service packs to go to Windows 95c at all 95 machines).
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Marian Mlcoch, Ing" <mm at tsmp.sk>
> > To: "Hannu Virtanen" <hkv at ipso.fi>
> > Cc: <samba at samba.org>
> > Sent: Monday, November 18, 2002 4:27 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Samba] Oplock problems with Office 97 and Windows 95 in
> Samba
> > > 2.0.7
> >
> >
> > > I dont understand what defaults you mean
> > > i use smaba 2.2.6 and its default is
> > > level2 oplocks = Yes
> > > kernel oplocks = Yes (this two is autodetect by samba and
> > kernel
> > > support by samba docs IRIX have this but you have set NO???)
> > > oplock break wait time = 0 (samba docs write not change this
> > > parameter...)
> > >
> > > you have
> > > level2 oplocks = no
> > > kernel oplocks = no
> > > oplock break wait time = 10
> > > this your setings is default by your system or set in your conf file?
> > >
> > > By docs oplocks is share parameter that must by defined in share not
> > global.
> > > best choice is try use veto oplock files= ... and leave oplocks on.
> > >
> > > And last what version of W95 you use? W95 W95a W95B ?
> > > If W95 then you must update to W95a by service pack from microsoft
www.
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Hannu Virtanen" <hkv at ipso.fi>
> > > To: <samba at samba.org>
> > > Sent: Monday, November 18, 2002 12:15 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [Samba] Oplock problems with Office 97 and Windows 95 in
> > Samba
> > > > 2.0.7
> > >
> > >
> > > > Marian,
> > > > All of those are default settings and have been tested not to help.
> But
> > > why
> > > > can i not put oplocks = no, what is standard advice with these kind
of
> > > > problems.
> > > >
> > > > Hannu
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Marian Mlcoch, Ing" <mm at tsmp.sk>
> > > > To: "Hannu Virtanen" <hkv at ipso.fi>
> > > > Cc: <samba at samba.org>
> > > > Sent: Monday, November 18, 2002 12:50 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: [Samba] Oplock problems with Office 97 and Windows 95
in
> > > Samba
> > > > > 2.0.7
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Try set this
> > > > >
> > > > > level2 oplocks = Yes
> > > > > kernel oplocks = Yes
> > > > >
> > > > > only experimentally.
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "Hannu Virtanen" <hkv at ipso.fi>
> > > > > To: <samba at samba.org>
> > > > > Sent: Monday, November 18, 2002 9:34 AM
> > > > > Subject: Re: [Samba] Oplock problems with Office 97 and Windows 95
> in
> > > > Samba
> > > > > > 2.0.7
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > Marian,
> > > > > > Thank for You response. Here is my smb.conf:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Load smb config files from /usr/samba/lib/smb.conf
> > > > > > Processing section "[homes]"
> > > > > > Processing section "[printers]"
> > > > > > Processing section "[nem]"
> > > > > > Processing section "[ohj]"
> > > > > > Processing section "[proj]"
> > > > > > Processing section "[print$]"
> > > > > > Processing section "[nemadmin]"
> > > > > > Loaded services file OK.
> > > > > > # Global parameters
> > > > > > [global]
> > > > > > coding system =
> > > > > > client code page = 850
> > > > > > code page directory = /usr/samba/lib/codepages
> > > > > > workgroup = SAMBA
> > > > > > netbios name =
> > > > > > netbios aliases =
> > > > > > netbios scope =
> > > > > > server string = Samba 2.2.6
> > > > > > interfaces =
> > > > > > bind interfaces only = No
> > > > > > security = USER
> > > > > > encrypt passwords = Yes
> > > > > > update encrypted = No
> > > > > > allow trusted domains = Yes
> > > > > > hosts equiv =
> > > > > > min passwd length = 5
> > > > > > map to guest = Never
> > > > > > null passwords = No
> > > > > > obey pam restrictions = No
> > > > > > password server =
> > > > > > smb passwd file = /usr/samba/private/smbpasswd
> > > > > > root directory =
> > > > > > pam password change = No
> > > > > > passwd program = /usr/bin/passwd %u
> > > > > > passwd chat = *ew*password:* %n\n
*e-enter*new*password:*
> > %n\n
> > > > > > passwd chat debug = No
> > > > > > username map =
> > > > > > password level = 0
> > > > > > username level = 0
> > > > > > unix password sync = No
> > > > > > restrict anonymous = No
> > > > > > lanman auth = Yes
> > > > > > use rhosts = No
> > > > > > admin log = No
> > > > > > log level = 0
> > > > > > syslog = 1
> > > > > > syslog only = No
> > > > > > log file =
> > > > > > max log size = 50
> > > > > > timestamp logs = Yes
> > > > > > debug hires timestamp = No
> > > > > > debug pid = No
> > > > > > debug uid = No
> > > > > > protocol = NT1
> > > > > > large readwrite = Yes
> > > > > > max protocol = NT1
> > > > > > min protocol = CORE
> > > > > > read bmpx = No
> > > > > > read raw = Yes
> > > > > > write raw = Yes
> > > > > > nt smb support = Yes
> > > > > > nt pipe support = Yes
> > > > > > nt status support = Yes
> > > > > > announce version = 4.9
> > > > > > announce as = NT
> > > > > > max mux = 50
> > > > > > max xmit = 16644
> > > > > > name resolve order = lmhosts host wins bcast
> > > > > > max ttl = 259200
> > > > > > max wins ttl = 518400
> > > > > > min wins ttl = 21600
> > > > > > time server = No
> > > > > > unix extensions = No
> > > > > > change notify timeout = 60
> > > > > > deadtime = 15
> > > > > > getwd cache = Yes
> > > > > > keepalive = 300
> > > > > > lpq cache time = 10
> > > > > > max smbd processes = 0
> > > > > > max disk size = 0
> > > > > > max open files = 10000
> > > > > > name cache timeout = 660
> > > > > > read size = 16384
> > > > > > socket options = TCP_NODELAY
> > > > > > stat cache size = 50
> > > > > > use mmap = Yes
> > > > > > total print jobs = 0
> > > > > > load printers = Yes
> > > > > > printcap name = /etc/printcap
> > > > > > disable spoolss = No
> > > > > > enumports command =
> > > > > > addprinter command =
> > > > > > deleteprinter command =
> > > > > > show add printer wizard = Yes
> > > > > > os2 driver map =
> > > > > > strip dot = No
> > > > > > mangling method = hash
> > > > > > character set =
> > > > > > mangled stack = 50
> > > > > > stat cache = Yes
> > > > > > domain admin group =
> > > > > > domain guest group =
> > > > > > machine password timeout = 604800
> > > > > > add user script =
> > > > > > delete user script =
> > > > > > logon script =
> > > > > > logon path = \\%N\%U\profile
> > > > > > logon drive =
> > > > > > logon home = \\%N\%U
> > > > > > domain logons = No
> > > > > > os level = 65
> > > > > > lm announce = Auto
> > > > > > lm interval = 60
> > > > > > preferred master = Yes
> > > > > > local master = Yes
> > > > > > domain master = Yes
> > > > > > browse list = Yes
> > > > > > enhanced browsing = Yes
> > > > > > dns proxy = Yes
> > > > > > wins proxy = No
> > > > > > wins server =
> > > > > > wins support = Yes
> > > > > > wins hook =
> > > > > > kernel oplocks = No
> > > > > > lock spin count = 3
> > > > > > lock spin time = 10
> > > > > > oplock break wait time = 10
> > > > > > add share command =
> > > > > > change share command =
> > > > > > delete share command =
> > > > > > config file =
> > > > > > preload =
> > > > > > lock dir = /usr/samba/var/locks
> > > > > > pid directory = /usr/samba/var/locks
> > > > > > default service =
> > > > > > message command =
> > > > > > dfree command =
> > > > > > valid chars =
> > > > > > remote announce =
> > > > > > remote browse sync =
> > > > > > socket address = 0.0.0.0
> > > > > > homedir map =
> > > > > > time offset = 0
> > > > > > NIS homedir = No
> > > > > > source environment =
> > > > > > panic action =
> > > > > > hide local users = No
> > > > > > winbind uid =
> > > > > > winbind gid =
> > > > > > template homedir = /home/%D/%U
> > > > > > template shell = /bin/false
> > > > > > winbind separator = \
> > > > > > winbind cache time = 15
> > > > > > winbind enum users = Yes
> > > > > > winbind enum groups = Yes
> > > > > > winbind use default domain = No
> > > > > > comment = Samba %v
> > > > > > path =
> > > > > > alternate permissions = No
> > > > > > username =
> > > > > > guest account = nobody
> > > > > > invalid users =
> > > > > > valid users =
> > > > > > admin users =
> > > > > > read list =
> > > > > > write list =
> > > > > > printer admin = hkv
> > > > > > force user =
> > > > > > force group =
> > > > > > read only = Yes
> > > > > > create mask = 0744
> > > > > > force create mode = 00
> > > > > > security mask = 0777
> > > > > > force security mode = 00
> > > > > > directory mask = 0755
> > > > > > force directory mode = 00
> > > > > > directory security mask = 0777
> > > > > > force directory security mode = 00
> > > > > > force unknown acl user = 00
> > > > > > inherit permissions = No
> > > > > > inherit acls = No
> > > > > > guest only = No
> > > > > > guest ok = No
> > > > > > only user = No
> > > > > > hosts allow = 193.94.63. 193.66.15.38
> > > > > > hosts deny =
> > > > > > status = Yes
> > > > > > nt acl support = Yes
> > > > > > profile acls = No
> > > > > > block size = 1024
> > > > > > max connections = 0
> > > > > > min print space = 0
> > > > > > strict allocate = No
> > > > > > strict sync = No
> > > > > > sync always = No
> > > > > > write cache size = 0
> > > > > > max print jobs = 1000
> > > > > > printable = No
> > > > > > postscript = No
> > > > > > printing = bsd
> > > > > > print command = /usr/bsd/lpr -r -h -P%p %s
> > > > > > lpq command = /usr/bsd/lpq -P%p
> > > > > > lprm command = /usr/bsd/lprm -P%p %j
> > > > > > lppause command =
> > > > > > lpresume command =
> > > > > > queuepause command = disable %p
> > > > > > queueresume command = enable %p
> > > > > > printer name =
> > > > > > use client driver = No
> > > > > > default devmode = No
> > > > > > printer driver =
> > > > > > printer driver file = /usr/samba/lib/printers.def
> > > > > > printer driver location =
> > > > > > default case = lower
> > > > > > case sensitive = No
> > > > > > preserve case = Yes
> > > > > > short preserve case = Yes
> > > > > > mangle case = No
> > > > > > mangling char = ~
> > > > > > hide dot files = Yes
> > > > > > hide unreadable = No
> > > > > > delete veto files = No
> > > > > > veto files =
> > > > > > hide files =
> > > > > > veto oplock files =
> > > > > > map system = No
> > > > > > map hidden = No
> > > > > > map archive = Yes
> > > > > > mangled names = Yes
> > > > > > mangled map =
> > > > > > browseable = Yes
> > > > > > blocking locks = Yes
> > > > > > csc policy = manual
> > > > > > fake oplocks = No
> > > > > > locking = Yes
> > > > > > oplocks = Yes
> > > > > > level2 oplocks = No
> > > > > > oplock contention limit = 2
> > > > > > posix locking = Yes
> > > > > > strict locking = No
> > > > > > share modes = Yes
> > > > > > copy =
> > > > > > include =
> > > > > > exec =
> > > > > > preexec close = No
> > > > > > postexec =
> > > > > > root preexec =
> > > > > > root preexec close = No
> > > > > > root postexec =
> > > > > > available = Yes
> > > > > > volume =
> > > > > > fstype = NTFS
> > > > > > set directory = No
> > > > > > wide links = Yes
> > > > > > follow symlinks = Yes
> > > > > > dont descend =
> > > > > > magic script =
> > > > > > magic output =
> > > > > > delete readonly = No
> > > > > > dos filemode = No
> > > > > > dos filetimes = No
> > > > > > dos filetime resolution = No
> > > > > > fake directory create times = No
> > > > > > vfs object =
> > > > > > vfs options =
> > > > > >
> > > > > > [homes]
> > > > > > comment = Home Directories
> > > > > > valid users = hkv jyrri
> > > > > > read only = No
> > > > > > browseable = No
> > > > > >
> > > > > > [printers]
> > > > > > comment = All Printers
> > > > > > path = /var/spool/samba
> > > > > > create mask = 0700
> > > > > > guest ok = Yes
> > > > > > printable = Yes
> > > > > > browseable = No
> > > > > >
> > > > > > [nem]
> > > > > > comment = Nemetschek Datat
> > > > > > path = /usr/nem
> > > > > > valid users = nykis1 jaaju kaiju terjo
> > > > > > read only = No
> > > > > > create mask = 0774
> > > > > > directory mask = 0775
> > > > > >
> > > > > > [ohj]
> > > > > > comment = Ohjelmatiedostot
> > > > > > path = /usr/ohj
> > > > > > valid users = +user
> > > > > > admin users = admin hkv jyrri
> > > > > > force group = sys
> > > > > > read only = No
> > > > > >
> > > > > > [proj]
> > > > > > comment = Projektihakemisto
> > > > > > path = /usr/proj
> > > > > > valid users = +user
> > > > > > read only = No
> > > > > > create mask = 0774
> > > > > > directory mask = 0775
> > > > > >
> > > > > > [print$]
> > > > > > path = /usr/samba/printer
> > > > > > admin users = hkv
> > > > > > write list = hkv
> > > > > > guest ok = Yes
> > > > > >
> > > > > > [nemadmin]
> > > > > > comment = Nemetschek Admin
> > > > > > path = /usr2/nemadmin
> > > > > > valid users = nykis1 jaaju terjo kaiju
> > > > > > read only = No
> > > > > > create mask = 0774
> > > > > > directory mask = 0775
> > > > > > browseable = No
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The Office documents are in service [proj]. Hopefully Samba is
not
> > > only
> > > > > for
> > > > > > Linux.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Hannu
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > From: "Marian Mlcoch, Ing" <mm at tsmp.sk>
> > > > > > To: "Hannu Virtanen" <hkv at ipso.fi>
> > > > > > Cc: <samba at samba.org>
> > > > > > Sent: Monday, November 18, 2002 10:06 AM
> > > > > > Subject: Re: [Samba] Oplock problems with Office 97 and Windows
95
> > in
> > > > > Samba
> > > > > > > 2.0.7
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Hi Hannu
> > > > > > > I mean that yuor problem not is in oplock but you change from
> > 2.0.7
> > > to
> > > > > > > newest platform and more default values of samba conf is
changed
> > in
> > > > new
> > > > > > > version. First you must post to this list your conf that is
> reply
> > of
> > > > > samba
> > > > > > > command
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > testparm -s
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > afther this anybody can try help you to solve your problem.
> > > > > > > Secondary problem is compatibility of kernels that new samba
is
> > > > > optimized
> > > > > > > for linux.
> > > > > > > Try post more information.
> > > > > > > Bye.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > > From: "Hannu Virtanen" <hkv at ipso.fi>
> > > > > > > To: <samba at lists.samba.org>
> > > > > > > Sent: Friday, November 15, 2002 9:37 AM
> > > > > > > Subject: [Samba] Oplock problems with Office 97 and Windows 95
> in
> > > > Samba
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > 2.0.7
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Hello,
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > We have used Samba in SGI IRIX 6.5(now 6.5.11m) machines
from
> > the
> > > > SGI
> > > > > > > > version 2.0.7. We have Windows 95, NT4 and 2000 clients. We
> had
> > no
> > > > > > > problems
> > > > > > > > with the version 2.0.7 at all. I am looking for the new
> > > > > > possibilities(PDC,
> > > > > > > > BDC and LDAP...) with Samba 2.2.5 and newer. I installed
> > samba.org
> > > > > > version
> > > > > > > > of Samba 2.2.5 and from that we have had problems with
Office
> 97
> > > > > > documents
> > > > > > > > in Windows 95 machines. Office freezes and cannot save or
> create
> > > new
> > > > > > > > documents or open existing documents. I searched for this
kind
> > of
> > > > > > problems
> > > > > > > > from the mailing lists and the web and found out that i am
not
> > the
> > > > > only
> > > > > > > one
> > > > > > > > having problems with oplocks.
> > > > > > > > Why did i not have problems with 2.0.7, is Windows 95
support
> > > > > forgotten
> > > > > > > from
> > > > > > > > the 2.2.x versions of Samba?
> > > > > > > > The common advice is to put oplocks = no, but this i cannot
> do,
> > > > > because
> > > > > > it
> > > > > > > > means not to use Office 97 from Windows 95 machines(they
> cannot
> > > use
> > > > > any
> > > > > > > > Office documents from the share or create new ones at all),
> why
> > is
> > > > > that?
> > > > > > > > Is there difference in putting oplocks =no at global or
share
> > > > sections
> > > > > > on
> > > > > > > > smb.conf, which kind?
> > > > > > > > Is there a way of telling the client to not ask for oplocks,
> so
> > > that
> > > > i
> > > > > > > could
> > > > > > > > disable oplocks from Windows 95 machines?
> > > > > > > > We are now using Samba 2.2.6 with the same problems as 2.2.5
> > even
> > > > > though
> > > > > > > > there have been discussions of correcting locking problems
> from
> > > > 2.2.5,
> > > > > > but
> > > > > > > > if this thing was fine allready in version 2.0.7, why does
> Samba
> > > > have
> > > > > > this
> > > > > > > > kind of fundamental problems?
> > > > > > > > Version 2.2.5 and 2.2.6 have oplock errors also with other
> > > > > > > programs(F-Secure
> > > > > > > > Anti-Virus, AutoCAD LT 97...), but they does not seem to
> affect
> > to
> > > > > > > programs
> > > > > > > > like Office 97.
> > > > > > > > There has been also loss of documents with Office 97 at
these
> > > > > > situations,
> > > > > > > > when the program cannot save the file(anywhere anymore).
> > > > > > > > I have not heard any problems with Windows NT4 or 2000
clients
> > > > > allthough
> > > > > > > in
> > > > > > > > the web many have told there ar same kind of problems also
> with
> > > > these
> > > > > > > > clients.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Hannu Virtanen
> > > > > > > >
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