[Samba] my printers are still paused in Win2k and WinNT 4.0

Shane Drinkwater Shane_Drinkwater at pa-ucl.com
Tue Jul 23 09:58:02 GMT 2002 

Jim, 
I think I found another bug... I really seem to be in printer hell :(.... I
found that windows 2k doesn't update its status "ready" or "paused" when
used with samba. Here is what I did...
	1.) enable all of the lpr/lpd queues. check em' with lpq...
	2.) start samba...
	3.) goto my win 2k client.
	4.) install the printer.( a hp 5m driver that was uploaded to the
samba server from windows)
	5.) click on the printer in the "printers" folder on the client.
	6.) this is where the fun begins :) login to the samba server and
perform a lpc -P%p stop (lpc -Pcsqlis stop) or use windows to pause the
printer. Check the status on the linux box to really make sure it is paused.
	7.) sing the theme song to jeopardy for 10 secs.
	8.) click on the printers to make sure windows updates. The printer
still says ready but the "wait time" field is gone...
	9.) perform a lpc -Pcsqlis start command. 
	10.) check it with lpq
	11.) in 10 sec the "wait time" will reappear.. hmmm 

You can do the same thing except start samba with the queue being paused. It
will show paused during the testing. The only thing that goes away and comes
back is the wait time field. Jim have you seem this before??? Has anyone
else ??? Or do I have a retarded computer win2k box???
						Shane

-----Original Message-----
From: Shane Drinkwater [mailto:Shane_Drinkwater at pa-ucl.com]
Sent: Monday, July 22, 2002 11:51 AM
To: samba at lists.samba.org
Subject: FW: [Samba] my printers are still paused in Win2k and WinNT 4.0


Jim,
Not only does the buffer scrapper code show paused if the Printer name is
something like CSQ_office_a but if the host has  off in the name like -->
hp at mercylaboffice.pa-ucl.com it puts it on pause...

				Shane
-----Original Message-----
From: Shane Drinkwater 
Sent: Monday, July 22, 2002 11:37 AM
To: samba at lists.samba.org
Subject: RE: [Samba] my printers are still paused in Win2k and WinNT 4.0


Jim and the samba list,
Ok I think I have found part of my problem. I have a question for you.. What
is the difference between these two outputs...
[root at localhost etc]# lpq -P thisisalongtest
Printer: thisisalongtest at localhost
 Queue: no printable jobs in queue
[root at localhost etc]# lpq -P thisisaoff
Printer: thisisaoff at localhost
 Queue: no printable jobs in queue
or
[root at localhost etc]# lpq -P csq_office_a
Printer: csq_office_a at localhost (dest hp at csq_office_a.pa-ucl.com)
 Queue: no printable jobs in queue
Active connection from  172.27.1.2
[root at localhost etc]# lpq -P csqoffficea
Printer: csqoffficea at localhost
 Queue: no printable jobs in queue
....
The answer is off is in the name of the printer!!!! thats right
thisisalongtest works ok but and printer with office or even off in the name
shows paused. Is this a bug????? 

				Shane

-----Original Message-----
From: Van Sickler, Jim [mailto:vansickj-eodc at Kaman.com]
Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2002 7:15 PM
To: 'Shane Drinkwater'
Cc: Samba-L (E-mail)
Subject: RE: [Samba] my printers are still paused in Win2k and WinNT 4.0


Ain't this fun?!?  :-(



> -----Original Message-----
> From: Shane Drinkwater [mailto:Shane_Drinkwater at pa-ucl.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2002 3:27 PM
> To: samba at lists.samba.org
> Subject: RE: [Samba] my printers are still paused in Win2k 
> and WinNT 4.0
> 
> 
> Jim,
> Again no dice. This is a very strange problem!?! I am now debating to
> compile LPRng with done_jobs=0 to see if that works( at this 
> point I doubt
> it).

I might have missed a clue - is the printer saying it's Paused,
or the last job printed saying that it's Paused after being printed?

:done_jobs=0 relates to the printed job, not the printer...

Do you have guest ok=yes in the printer's subsection
in smb.conf?

  e.g.
[HP4Plus]
	guest ok=yes

or 

[Printers]
	guest ok=yes



>  I also have some more interesting data for the problem
> 	1.)The HP 4m printer all of a sudden started to work it showed
> "ready"!! I come back about 5 mins later and it showed 
> "pause" again????
> This means other print jobs on the printer are affecting the 
> samba print queue...

See if it shows Paused when it's in Power Save mode, and
Ready when it's in Ready mode.

If the JetDirects are 10/100, try setting them to 10MHz/Half Duplex
and see if it changes anything.  100Base-TX Full Duplex doesn't
do much ack/nack'ing, IIRC.

> 	2.) I have switched everything over to tcp 9100 and 
> back again to
> lpd after testing the done_jobs parm still no fix.....

I've used both-9100 may enable Bi-Directional comms; raw
doesn't, IIRC.

> 	3.)  I have never printed a job on this server it is a test. I
> figured that print_jobs=0 means that lprng keept old jobs 
> around to so I
> cleared out all of the queues and reset up the printers. again paused
> printer,, With no print jobs ????

That's what made me think about whether the printer status was Paused,
and not the print job...

> 	4.) Is CUPS better for communicating status info with 
> samba? I would
> hate to switch to CUPS since CUPS looks more complicated.

Me too...

> 	5.) is there a way to get samba to kick out more 
> detailed info about
> the printer status( or what it thinks is the printer status).

Kick the log level up to 3 for more, up to 10 for a LOT more...

> 	6.) I am checking the status by double clicking on the computer.
> then the printers share on that computer. I then click on a 
> printer and wait
> for the refresh on my win2k to say ready or fail....

Were these printers installed when using an older version of
samba?  If so, try adding "disable spoolss=yes"
and "use client driver=yes" to [Global] in smb.conf
then restart samba and see if they're still flaky.


Jim
> 	
> 				Shane
> Any Ideas are helpful!!!
> 
> P.S. The Damm printer show ready again as I write you this 
> message. I will
> check it in the morning.. 
> 
> 	
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Van Sickler, Jim [mailto:vansickj-eodc at Kaman.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2002 2:17 PM
> To: 'Shane Drinkwater'
> Cc: Samba-L (E-mail)
> Subject: RE: [Samba] my printers are still paused in Win2k 
> and WinNT 4.0
> 
> 
> 
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Shane Drinkwater [mailto:Shane_Drinkwater at pa-ucl.com]
> > Sent: Wednesday, July 17, 2002 10:02 AM
> > To: samba at lists.samba.org
> > Subject: [Samba] my printers are still paused in Win2k and WinNT 4.0
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Jim,
> > I have placed the done_jobs in my lpd.conf and it didn't fix 
> > the problem.
> 
> try done_jobs=0
> 
> (maybe the space between = 0 is causing it to be ignored?)
> 
> > How can the done jobs parm effect the samba system if the 
> > queues don't list out any jobs to print???
> 
> If you look in your lpd spool dir, you'll see the last
> job is still there;  LPRng knows it's purpose, but
> samba doesn't...lpq will tell you that there are
> no printable jobs, but samba sees it as Paused...
> 
>   I'm running OpenBSD, and putting it in lpd.conf didn't
> fix it for me, either.  Putting :done_jobs=0 in the
> .common section worked for me.
> 
> Here's a snippet of my /usr/local/etc/printcap:
> ------------------------------------------------
> .common:cm=Common 
> Settings:done_jobs=0:sd=/var/spool/lpd/%P:mx=0:sh:lf=log \
> :lpd_force_poll=:lpd_poll_time=30:max_servers_active=0
> 
> hp4plus:cm=HP4Plus by Graphics PC:tc=.common:rm=149.158.23.170:rp=9100
> 
> ------------------------------------------------
> 
> Maybe this will help.
> 
> Jim
> 
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