Does samba have a code of conduct?
ronniesahlberg at gmail.com
Mon Aug 20 04:56:16 UTC 2018
Way too often CoC become a weapon against people that you don't like
for whatever reason.
IMHO: At best they are waste of time or a harmless distraction, at
worst they attract the wrong kind of people that will want to
politicize what used to be a pure technical meritocracy.
Samba already has an implicit code of conduct. It is the same code of
conduct that pretty much the entirety of society and the real world
_Don't be a jerk or someone will tell you to stop. If you don;'t stop,
eventually everyone will avoid you and you will be lonely._
I would like to thank both Richard and Jeremy for demonstrating so
well with a real world example why samba already have all the code of
conduct it needs.
On Mon, Aug 20, 2018 at 2:46 PM, Jeremy Allison via samba-technical
<samba-technical at lists.samba.org> wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 20, 2018 at 01:51:34PM +1000, William Brown wrote:
>> I would like to see the samba community recognised as a place of
>> technical excellence, and as a supportive and open community. That
>> means that people should feel able and safe to contribute without fear
>> of insults or other mocking comments. Too often we hear of stories of
>> insults, harrasment and more coming from software projects. Every one
>> of those stories is potentially scaring away a future contributor or
> We haven't had any real horrors like that in Samba (yet, there's
> always a first time of course).
> It helps that this our lists are mainly places of pure technical
> discussion, without the politics involved in many younger projects.
> That's not to say there *aren't* politics of course (as there
> are in all human endeavors), but they don't tend to dominate
> our communications here.
>> A code of conduct is a list of behaviours that a community should
>> aspire to model. It's not about policing speech, as about defining who
>> you want to be and how you want to be seen as a project.
> That's the *intent*. It's not how it often ends up being used, however.
> See my paragraph below for more on my personal experiences with
> such things.
>> Today in our industry, more than ever we are starting to see the need
>> for our communities to be positive and kind in our actions. From
>> helping to mentor future students, allowing blameless analysis of
>> incidents, improving discussions on code reviews, and including people
>> from all walks of life.
> In my day job I have seen many cases where "Codes of Conduct"
> and "Non-bias training" are being used to bully and intimidate
> people who don't agree with the majority politics of the dominant
> I have been the target of such activities myself (which
> to be honest I found pretty surprising, as I thought I *did*
> agree with the majority politics of the dominant group :-).
> It's that kind of experience that sticks with you (yes, you're
> politically pure, just not pure *enough* :-).
> Code of Conducts were the weapon of choice there.
> So in my experience, a code of conduct is *precisely* about
> policing speech. In fact that's the only way I've ever seen
> them used.
> I am not keen to see this activity extended to the Samba project
> mailing lists, which up until now have been remarkably free of
> such things.
>> My request was not intended to police speech, but to ask about the
>> nature of the community in this project. As someone who is looking to
>> contribute more of my time to this project, it's worth knowing the
>> character of the community and how we desire to interact.
> I hope you continue to contribute more, all are welcome
> here without any discrimination.
>> I hope this helps, and once again, thank you for apologising.
> It does help, thanks.
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