[PATCH] Add CTDB_REQ_TUNNEL for new protocol
Volker.Lendecke at SerNet.DE
Fri Oct 6 08:14:34 UTC 2017
On Fri, Oct 06, 2017 at 12:18:26PM +1100, Amitay Isaacs wrote:
> I think that's the wrong approach. The current design of SRVID based
> messaging is designed to handle multiple recipients of the message.
> It's used in few places to handle "notifications" style broadcast.
I meant that we could add an option to the registration API to only
allow unique SRVID registrations when requested.
> Samba has overloaded the same mechanism by having unique
> srvid to create uniquely distinguishable endpoints in the cluster.
> We should have used SERVER_ID based registrations for that
> purpose. Unfortunately SERVER_ID system was never utilized
> in samba/ctdb, so I have dropped it.
That might be because I (and possibly others) never really understood
the difference or the SERVER_ID API properly. This persists until
> We can still resurrect SERVER_ID based registration if we need
> a better mechanism to register unique endpoints in a cluster.
> There are sufficient details in server_id structure to even
> uniquely identify multiple CTDB connections from a single client.
Can you explain SRVID vs SERVER_ID in a bit more detail?
> It simply means that when you send a tunnel packet, it will be
> delivered to and endpoint on destination node with matching tunnel_id.
> That means you cannot tunnel messages between "service" daemons.
> For example, database daemon can only talk to other database
> daemons using a tunnel and not to cluster manager.
I may be stupid, but I still don't get the distinction between a
tunnel and SRVID style messages. Are there any restrictions or ACLs
for registring tunnel IDs? Or are you missing a central ID registry?
That would be easy to add as a convention on SRVIDs (which we already
have by means of the CTDB_SRVID_*_RANGE allocations.
Maybe we should use one of the next confcalls for a quick discussion
in person about this :-)
> > One thing for example the srvid based messaging misses is the ability
> > to listen for dying clients with a srvid. This could contribute to a
> > socket-like interface based on srvid messaging too I guess.
> Well we can definitely support that. Referring to my earlier
> blurb on SRVID versus SERVER_ID, if we use SERVER_ID for
> endpoint registrations and SRVID as purely mechanism for
> messaging (and notifications), then a client going away can
> be sent easily as a broadcast message. We can still do that
> in the current framework. It just needs a dedicated SRVID for
> "client gone away" messages.
> May be we need to sit down and work out the requirements
> for cluster-wide messaging. Since we are planning to separate
> various services, this might be ideal time to discuss messaging.
For me messaging, naming and id registration are just very tightly
coupled. In Samba we have the struct server_id (a PID on steroids) as
both a messaging target and existence check. I don't see the benefit
having two namespaces for those tasks. But it might really be that I
don't see the all requirements we have right now.
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