FW: [Samba] [PATCH] Fix samba daemon startup with systemd

Tue Dec 12 10:13:11 UTC 2017

Oeps wrong list. 

I suggest keep the packing folder.

Gr. 

Louis

> -----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
> Van: samba [mailto:samba-bounces at lists.samba.org] Namens 
> L.P.H. van Belle via samba
> Verzonden: dinsdag 12 december 2017 11:08
> Aan: samba at lists.samba.org
> Onderwerp: Re: [Samba] [PATCH] Fix samba daemon startup with systemd
> 
> I totaly not agree with that blog. 
> 
> And this... 
> (quote from site.)
> Yes, you read right: what the Devuan developers are doing is 
> creating stability. Think about it not in a few repeating 
> systemd bugs or about the insecurity caused by a huge, 
> monolithic piece of software running with root privileges. 
> Why do people favor Linux on servers over Windows? It is very 
> easy: people don't use Windows, because it is too complex, 
> too error prone and not suitable as a stable basis. Read it 
> again. This is exactly what systemd introduces into Linux: 
> error prone complexity and instability.
> Really its crap.. 
> 
> Specially : Why do people favor Linux on servers over 
> Windows? It is very easy: people don't use Windows, because 
> it is too complex, too error prone and not suitable as a 
> stable basis.  
> 
> Totaly not true, why do people use Windows, because the 
> companies want to stay mainstream and its most used, so most 
> companies are pussed in that direction.
> Why do i use linux... Ow wait better, why did I use... 
> Novell, Windows, Linux, AS400, Banyan VINES?? 
> Because every system has something good. 
> Why Novell, best Directory Services ever used, much much 
> better than windows AD. 
> Why Windows, because of the (yes) ease of use. If you 
> understand one systems you know 80% of them all. 
> Why Linux, because i can use it. 
> 
> So why is everybody using Windows and why is samba createing 
> AD, while novell DS is better..?? 
> 
> Do i love systemd, no, but i see why its used, and yes, its 
> much much better in setting the boot depends. 
> Its not only the boot speed for me, thats totaly imo totaly 
> not important, correct order much more important.
> Does systemd give more complexity yes, very, and still i use it. 
> 
> Last, it stats ": This is exactly what systemd introduces 
> into Linux: error prone complexity and instability.:" 
> Well, i use debian as of 2.1/2.2 ( slink/potato ), do i 
> notice difference, not really, everything is still stable. 
> Hardly any crashes, so sysv systemd, who cares, they all work fine. 
> Just like any of these : 
> https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/69/DebianFami
> lyTree1210.svg 
> Deviuan is only a other line to debian and yes, systemd has 
> bugs, but sysvinit also still has ... 383 open bugs.. ( in debian ).
> 
> Key of this story...  People use what the most are also using.
> 
> Last, (quote Rowland)
> I would have thought Samba should concentrate on Samba code 
> and leave how it is started to the distros.
> 
> Yes and no. Yes, samba should concentrate on samba. 
> No, it really helps if samba supplies good startup scripts 
> with some basic setttings. 
> Now, every distro is inventing the wheel again, i see that 
> over and over again. 
> 
> Just my saying and in advance, if i did hurt someone 
> feelings, i am really sorry. ;-). 
> This just my opinion. 
> 
> 
> Greetz, 
> 
> Louis
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
> > Van: samba-technical 
> > [mailto:samba-technical-bounces at lists.samba.org] Namens 
> > Rowland Penny via samba-technical
> > Verzonden: dinsdag 12 december 2017 10:27
> > Aan: Andrew Bartlett
> > CC: Andreas Schneider; samba-technical at lists.samba.org
> > Onderwerp: Re: [PATCH] Fix samba daemon startup with systemd
> > 
> > On Tue, 12 Dec 2017 22:13:22 +1300
> > Andrew Bartlett <abartlet at samba.org> wrote:
> > 
> > > On Tue, 2017-12-12 at 09:02 +0000, Rowland Penny via 
> samba-technical
> > > wrote:
> > > > On Tue, 12 Dec 2017 09:53:05 +0100
> > > > Andreas Schneider <asn at samba.org> wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > > On Tuesday, 12 December 2017 09:50:06 CET Rowland Penny wrote:
> > > > > > Can somebody explain why Samba is providing systemd service
> > > > > > scripts ? Samba never supplied sysv init scripts.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Why shouldn't we have a central place to have correct systemd
> > > > > files. There are several distributions out there 
> using systemd.
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > 	Andreas
> > > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > OK, why should we have a central place for correct 
> > systemd files, we
> > > > never did this for sysv, this is for the systemd 
> distributions to
> > > > do.
> > > > 
> > > > Are you going to suggest that Samba should also have 
> Apparmor and
> > > > Selinux profiles ? Recommended sssd and nslcd conf files ? 
> > > 
> > > Rowland,
> > > 
> > > Because systemd is the one true init system, naturally we 
> should be
> > > honoured to include a script for it.
> > > 
> > > Andrew Bartlett
> > 
> > You might be honoured, I am horrified, just what makes systemd
> > different to sysv for Samba (apart from systemd being a rats nest of
> > bugs, sorry features). I would have thought Samba should concentrate
> > on Samba code and leave how it is started to the distros.
> > 
> > I also thought that the main Samba user base was on 
> servers, you might
> > want to read this:
> > 
> > https://blog.ungleich.ch/en-us/cms/blog/2017/12/10/the-importa
> > nce-of-devuan/
> > 
> > Rowland
> > 
> > 
> 
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