[PATCH] CIFS: Update CreationTime on every query info request

Pavel Shilovsky pshilovsky at samba.org
Wed Aug 6 09:21:55 MDT 2014

2014-08-06 17:31 GMT+04:00 Jeff Layton <jlayton at samba.org>:
> On Wed, 6 Aug 2014 16:38:32 +0400
> Pavel Shilovsky <pshilovsky at samba.org> wrote:
>> If server reuses a uniqueid - it is a bug in the server.
> Then I think that's probably another samba bug. IIRC, it generates
> uniqueids using the st_ino and st_dev fields from stat(). There are
> many Linux filesystems that will aggressively reuse inode numbers and
> there is no API to get at the inode->i_generation field from userland.
> --------------[snip]----------------
> /********************************************************************
>  Create a 64 bit FileIndex. If the file is on the same device as
>  the root of the share, just return the 64-bit inode. If it isn't,
>  mangle as we used to do.
> ********************************************************************/
> uint64_t get_FileIndex(connection_struct *conn, const SMB_STRUCT_STAT *psbuf)
> {
>         uint64_t file_index;
>         if (conn->base_share_dev == psbuf->st_ex_dev) {
>                 return (uint64_t)psbuf->st_ex_ino;
>         }
>         file_index = ((psbuf->st_ex_ino) & UINT32_MAX); /* FileIndexLow */
>         file_index |= ((uint64_t)((psbuf->st_ex_dev) & UINT32_MAX)) << 32; /* FileIndexHigh */
>         return file_index;
> }
> --------------[snip]----------------
>> The creation time can be changed on the Windows server:
>> 1) we call stat FILE - construct the inode with the recent info;
>> 2) on the server another client calls SetFileTime() and updates
>> CreationTime of the FILE;
>> 3) we call stat FILE again, get the recent info but don't store the
>> new CreationTime value and stay with the wrong CreationTime value.
>> Also, in this case we can't rely on CreationTime to determine if this
>> is the same inode or not. I think the best thing is to *trust* the
>> server that uniqueid is unique (at least for SMB 2.0 and higher
>> versions).
>> Note, that now we use CreationTIme value for the inode search in
>> iget(). The above example of changing this value on the server shows
>> that we can end up with several inodes for each "creationtime" version
>> of the file.
> Sure, it's settable and you can abuse it, but who actually does that?
> It's very rare for someone to mess with the create time like that. I
> imagine it's generally only done by backup utilities when restoring
> and maybe rootkits. Those are both sort of outside the scope of
> normal usage.

Microsoft Office Excel is doing this -- see
So, it is not a rootkit or backup utility, it's a normal way Windows
is working with files.

>> The problem is that we don't have unix extensions for SMB 2.0 and
>> higher protocol versions and we need to use nounix either way.
> Then that's a problem that will need to eventually be addressed anyway.
> I don't see how this is anything but a way to paper over that fact in
> the meantime.

I really started to think that we can't use CreationTime in
find_inode() since this is not constant on both Windows and Samba (by
default). Even more, when negotiating Unix Extensions we always set
this field to 0. I suggest that we need to do the same thing for
nounix mounts too. At least we should do it for SMB 2/3 since we don't
have Unix Extensions for them now.

So, we have two choices from my point of view:
1) to update CreationTime value any time we are querying info from the
server (what exactly this patch does);
2) to remove CreationTime checks in find_inode() for nounix at least
for SMB 2/3 (probably for CIFS too).


Best regards,
Pavel Shilovsky.

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