The Wrapper Project

Andrew Bartlett abartlet at
Thu Nov 28 18:09:58 MST 2013

On Thu, 2013-11-28 at 17:22 +0100, Andreas Schneider wrote:
> On Thursday 28 November 2013 06:17:19 Andrew Bartlett wrote:
> > One of the oddities of Samba is that we don't do that very much at all.
> > We are very hesitant to rely on external free software projects, for
> > better or worse.
> So on day we will add glibc to our tree? :)
> > In this case, I'm particularly hesitant about the idea of requiring it
> > to be installed to permit testing, because our build farm, old, unloved
> > and broken as it is, is a particularly poor environment for requiring
> > the installation of external software.
> You managed to install python to be able to build Samba, I don't see how other 
> stuff could be much harder ... (We will come to the reason later.)

The folks who did the effort to install python told me was an absolute
pain to do.  I'm keen that we work out a plan here before we proceed
changing the basis for our test system.  I thought we had agreed to have
it in-tree using our build system.

> > As I've said before, in my previous work on this code, I've found and
> > fixed some very subtle bugs that show up only in bizarre results in our
> > make test.
> Yeah, cause the stuff was simply untested. There were/are no unit tests to 
> verify that the wrapper functions work as expected. Only nss_wrapper has a 
> truckload of good tests from Günther. I've added more test and we have a code 
> coverage of 74.9 %
> >  I would want to ensure we had a very strict rule as to
> > exactly the version of these wrappers that we used against a specific
> > version of Samba.  I think bundling these like we do popt et al is the
> > best approach for now.
> Why are you (an others) always come up with these lame excuses. Why don't you 
> just admit that you are lazy and don't want to install any of the 3rdparty 
> software.

This isn't about being lazy or otherwise, it is about ensuring that the
fundamental elements of our test infrastructure remain consistent for
all test runs.  

The way I see it is this:  Either the wrapper project is complete, and
so won't need updates in-tree, or we will need to manage updating the
build farm, user and developer instances.  Those updates will need to
strictly (presumably by pkg-config tests strictly checking version
numbers) match new revisions at exactly the same point where the
matching change is made in Samba.  

I'm particularly nervous about this in a 'git bisect' scenario. 

> Last heimdal update: July 2011 (Heimdal last release was done 2012-01-11)
> Quick copy: 68 files changed, 6750 insertions(+), 3142 deletions(-)
> Last zlib update: before 2008 (moved to lib/ in 2008)
> Last iniparser update: before 2010 (moved to lib/ in 2010)
> Last popt update: before 2010 (moved to lib/ in 2010)

I'm not sure what you point is here. 

> > The other thing I would miss is the ability to invoke this via CPP
> > macros.  We removed smb_wrapper because we determined the LD_PRELOAD
> > approach was determined not to be viable in the long term.  I guess the
> > difference here is that the socket API is more limited, as because CPP
> > also can't override libc calls, we have altered all the callers anyway.
> What is this about now? So I should stop to get 'make test' working with the 
> LD_PRELOAD wrappers?

It is my preference that we can use this either way, by CPP or

> > It would, even as he has left Samba development, be insightful to ask
> > for Tridge's view on this, because he has more experience than anyone
> > else I know on LD_PRELOAD over many years.
> What do you want, that I stop working on this? Why do we dance around the 
> issue here?

I wrote positively about this effort when you first spoke of it, and
raised some issues.  You have returned, with what feels like a 'take it
or leave it' offer, and without any significant effort to address the
concerns.  What do you expect me to say?

It is entirely your right to fork a bit of Samba's code, and develop it
yourself.  However, we should rightly hold it and the changes you
propose to close scrutiny when you propose to change how Samba uses it. 

Getting back to fundamental issues, I'm particularly nervous about your
dlopen change in ldb, and that it demonstrates some broader challenges
with the LD_PRELOAD approach:;a=commitdiff;h=c4d1bd522c6850065cd9413ee860856cac52c4df

At the very least, like we have agreed to do for other areas
(libwbclient), I think this needs to be set only for build-time
binaries, so we don't cause issues in the BIND9 server. 

I hope this helps elaborate on my concerns.  

Andrew Bartlett

Andrew Bartlett
Authentication Developer, Samba Team
Samba Developer, Catalyst IT

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