The Wrapper Project

Jelmer Vernooij jelmer at
Wed Nov 20 14:17:24 MST 2013

On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 08:41:02PM +0100, Andreas Schneider wrote:
> On Wednesday 20 November 2013 19:59:35 Jelmer Vernooij wrote:
> > On Wed, Nov 20, 2013 at 01:23:33PM -0500, Simo wrote:

> > > Yes the code that originated Andreas projects came from Samba.
> > > Andreas ran away with to try and see if it could be greatly improved.

> > > For a lot of time it was just hacking around to see if it would work.
> > > 
> > > Some times that approach works better, and I am certain in this case
> > > did, because it would have been unacceptable to the samba community to
> > > break "make test" to do experiments.
> > Nobody is objecting to Andreas' taking this code and hacking on it.

> > > I really do not see why this is a big deal to be honest. Why does it
> > > make any difference how the code was built ?

> > Andreas is proposing moving a chunk of code out of the Samba codebase
> > taking over maintenance of it, removing it from Samba and having Samba
> > depend on that code. [1]

> > This means that code to which everybody in the Samba team could easily
> > contribute to previously is now harder to edit, harder to follow, and
> > changes to it are no longer necessarily audited.
> Yes, that was set in stone. No review is allowed by others! Where kind of a 
> game do we play here now? :)

We're only pointing out the consequences of the proposal we're not comfortable
with - that those libraries are being developed "off-the-record",
but still proposed for use in Samba.

Nobody said the way these libraries are developed was set in stone; in fact, I
think the reason it was mentioned at all was so that it hopefully can change...

> > > What difference does it make if you get a review request of 200 patches
> > > that basically reworks completely most of the code or a request to
> > > review something of equal size with a git tree somewhere else ?
> > > 
> > > Sound like you are offended that some code was done on someone's own
> > > without your knowledge, is that the problem ?
> > 
> > No, I'm objecting to the suggested changes *to Samba* on the grounds that it
> > makes it harder for me to make changes to and follow the evolution of a
> > piece of code that I originally wrote.
> And it makes it harder for *me* get them correctly working as pre-loadable 
> wrappers and to propose it to other projects.

How does it make it harder for you? What is problematic about hosting those git
repositories on, with commit access for and review from the rest
of the team?

As said in my original reply in July: it's great you're improving
this code and making it usable by external projects. I agree
with Andrew that we should keep the control over the version of
this code that we rely on in Samba under the Samba project umbrella.



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