ld.so.preload of libmediaclient.so is *very* harmful
abartlet at samba.org
Thu Feb 3 22:43:16 MST 2011
On Fri, 2011-02-04 at 04:39 +0000, Markus Rechberger wrote:
> Andrew Bartlett <abartlet <at> samba.org> writes:
> > On Thu, 2011-02-03 at 13:28 +0100, c.hoffmann <at> bnet.at wrote:
> > > Could finish provision!
> > > There was a problem with the libmediaclient.so which is installed with the
> > > driver for my tv-card (sundtek) I am using.
> > > Deinstalled the driver and did provision again, this time it worked!
> > > Reinstall the driver and it hopefully does not interfere with samba4.
> > >
> > > br
> > After a very good guess by tridge, I found:
> > http://www.sundtek.com/support/install.sh.txt
> > This script, which I presume you used, modifies /etc/ld.so.preload, and
> > causes libmediaclient.so to be preloaded into every single process on
> > the system. Any process that calls net_read() will call into your TV
> > card driver, and will break badly.
> As we had the discussion, this discussion came up in our forums as well, the
> problem is some users are not very familiar with the console and that's the
> reason why it is set globally.
I'm sorry, but that is still no excuse. The global /etc/ld.so.preload
should never, ever be used as the standard way of installing anything.
Imagine if multiple drivers decided that was the right way to operate?
Which would come first, how would you debug their interactions, and how
would we ever keep a Linux system stable?
> If issues come up and are reported to us we take
> care about them.
I really think this is the wrong way around. You are essentially doing
a binary insertion of your code into every single process on the system,
and just hoping that you emulate the applications expected behaviour of
42 different symbols. This includes overriding functions that are
internal to the application - they could do anything, so there is no way
to know what is 'right'.
> The reason for all that is that the preloading mechanism provides very high
> backward compatibility (one compiled driver works with Linux 2.6.18+), it avoids
> the need of having to compile drivers. And since updating the drivers also works
> very quick customers can easily handle this.
That it is easy does not make it right. This is the wrong way to
develop any kind of Linux driver, no matter how specialised or now
If you want to make this easy for your users, then do it properly, and
get the distributors to include it in the default driver set. That way,
anyone can use it, right out of the box.
> Last but not least we'll take over fixing this of course.
So you will stop using ld.so.preload? I'm sorry, but that is the only
real fix to this problem.
> Andrew, sorry for wasting your time with this.
What we need, as I understand tridge has already said, is for you to
ensure that your code is never again inserted into an unrelated process.
How you do that is up up to you, but while this mechanism is used, this
will break again.
I'm sorry to have to be so harsh about this, on top of tridge's blog
post http://blog.tridgell.net/?p=141 but pulling tricks like this
pollutes the Linux landscape for everyone else.
I understand it if you think that if someone has your TV stick
installed, that they must be a media PC, and so you can 'safely' pull
tricks like this, but as our reporter has shown, you can never know what
software will be co-installed. The only way to make this whole system
work is for us all to live by the rules.
Andrew Bartlett http://samba.org/~abartlet/
Authentication Developer, Samba Team http://samba.org
Samba Developer, Cisco Inc.
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