Is there a reason to have source4 in 3.4 releases?
John H Terpstra - Samba Team
jht at samba.org
Wed Jul 15 11:38:25 MDT 2009
Adam Tauno Williams wrote:
> On Wed, 2009-07-15 at 10:00 -0500, John H Terpstra - Samba Team wrote:
>> Does it matter in the least what the samba4 directory is called?
>> I urge you all to consider the real issue. Our problem is fundamentally
>> one of lack of clarity in respect of our roadmap.
>> Network managers and administrators want to know:
>> 1) What is ready for use?
>> 2) How do I use it?
>> 3) What benefits do I get?
>> Can we not provide a roadmap? One that spells out:
>> a) Which parts of the currently stable parts of Samba live in
>> each directory
>> b) What the "current" development schedule is for each WIP
>> (WIP == Work in progress) and projected "ready date"
>> c) A list of future projects and a current ranking of importance
> As a mere network administrator who runs an almost entirely Open Source
> stack for ~500 users I can only say "Ditto!". At this point I am pretty
> confused regarding the state of things; I lurk this list to try and
> keep track of what is going on. With all the other admin related things
> calling to me 24/7 it is hard to dedicate the [not inconsequential] time
> required to keep track of what is going on.
> I really do not mean this as a complaint or gripe; Samba has been great
> since the first time I installed it on AIX 3.2. But at least from my
> trench Mr. Terpstra's comment(s) look spot on.
While it is true that there has been attrition of the Samba user-base in
terms of direct large server installations, let's not lose sight of the
fact that many of the NAS units that are increasingly being used
actually run Samba. Over-all the use of Samba could well be in growth,
I may have painted too-dark a picture. Never-the-less, we need to
re-present and re-position Samba, and that will require a roadmap and a
whole lot more.
>> Somehow, some way, we need to re-present Samba to the user world in a
>> more cohesive and tangible way. We are losing ground. We are losing
>> users. We are losing support.
>> Too many corporate sites have moved away from Samba because they could
>> not see a roadmap, failed to understand our direction, could no longer
>> wait for AD server support, and had too many problems. Each time a
>> problem was has been raised I have been able to point them to the fix,
>> but they had already abandoned Samba. The problem is not technical - it
>> is a communication challenge.
> Yes. Of the more than a dozen local sys-admins I talk to pretty
> regularly - all of which ran Samba, and most Samba PDCs, at one point -
> I'm the last Samba PDC shop and the second to last Samba [at all] shop.
>> We need clarity and unity in direction.
> That would be a good thing, IM-veryH-O.
You can help by communicating what is important to you as a user and as
a network admin. This discussion is really just starting. ;-)
- John T.
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