(Was Caution Stoopid Newbie) - A better (Longer) explanation

[McEldowney, Michael]

Mark's right, I had forgotten about the caching.  It can drive you nuts,
but that's what M$ does best ;)

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mark Haney [mailto:mhaney at info4cars.com]
> Sent: Friday, April 06, 2001 9:06 AM
> To: McEldowney, Michael; 'Jet Set Willy'; samba-ntdom at samba.org
> Subject: RE: (Was Caution Stoopid Newbie) - A better (Longer)
> explanation
> 
> 
> In the M$ world, name resolution IS everything.  I would make 
> sure that WINS
> is working, but more importantly, from what I understand, 
> (and especially in
> WIN9x) the client caches the domain info it last used to 
> login.  Even if you
> log in to a new domain name, Win9x is notorious in that it 
> assumes alot more
> about the network than NT does.  It  might still be trying to 
> authenticate
> to the orignal domain controller.
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: samba-ntdom-admin at lists.samba.org
> [mailto:samba-ntdom-admin at lists.samba.org]On Behalf Of McEldowney,
> Michael
> Sent: Friday, April 06, 2001 9:59 AM
> To: 'Jet Set Willy'; samba-ntdom at samba.org
> Subject: RE: (Was Caution Stoopid Newbie) - A better (Longer)
> explanation
> 
> 
> Jet,
> 
> Please continue to post.  Don't let an occasional flare up discourage
> you.  Discussion, even heated, is a good thing.  Samba, Linux, and the
> Human Race would all be far behind in evolution without it.
> 
> I had a similar problem when I first set up my "net at home.com".  I was
> able to track it down to name resolution.  Be sure to have WINS or DNS
> configured correctly.  WINS is easiest to setup and is best for small
> networks (according to Micro$oft.)  Make sure your Win98 box is
> configured to use your Samba box for WINS or DNS.  At home I 
> use DHCP to
> set up my clients and WINS for name rez.
> 
> Name resolution is critical.  If it doesn't work properly, 
> you're domain
> won't either.
> 
> Hope that helps,
> 
> Thanks,
> Mike McEldowney
> Information Systems Director
> Delta Regional Medical Center
> v. 662-334-2075
> p. 662-379-2498
> e. mmceldowney at deltaregional.com
> 
> 
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Jet Set Willy [mailto:jsw at manic-miner.freeserve.co.uk]
> > Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2001 4:46 AM
> > To: samba-ntdom at samba.org
> > Subject: (Was Caution Stoopid Newbie) - A better (Longer) 
> explanation
> >
> >
> > Well after all this not sure I dare post again
> > but seeing as though I have got some new
> > flameproof underwear here goes :-)
> >
> > Firstly thanks for all the replies - they are
> > all really a great help - useful advice and
> > kept me smiling while fighting with this. So
> > I'll attempt to collate everything, hopefully
> > explain where I am up and what I am trying
> > to do more clearly and , of course, ask
> > some more questions.
> >
> > My network is at home and serves no purpose other
> > than for me to try and learn a thing or two so it
> > is not mission critical - having said that it has
> > taken me quite a while to set the thing up and I
> > woudn't want to break everything in one go.
> >
> > So there are 4 machines - all old obsolete kit but
> > still pretty good or at least good enough for me.
> > 1) Mandrake 7.1 - with samba set up
> > 2) NT 4.0 - currently the pdc
> > 3) Win 98 machine
> > 4) Mandrake 7.2 - not important (yet - hopefully will
> > be used to build/test the latest version of samba etc)
> >
> > Current Situation:
> > I boot the 98 machine - it comes up
> > with the login box I enter my user name, password
> > and domain as specified by the NT box. (The NT machine
> > has been set up as the PDC for my domain) I can then
> > access the shares on the NT and linux machine without
> > any problem. (I have set up samba to map the NT user
> > names to samba user names [see question 1])
> >
> > Where I am trying to get to:
> > I want to remove the NT PDC stuff from the equation.
> > I will probably still keep the machine on my network
> > just not as the PDC - I want to get the linux machine
> > to do this. ie I boot up my win98 machine and enter
> > my user name, password and domain - samba then
> > checks this and either allows or denys access [see
> > question 2] to its shares and the shares on the NT box.
> >
> > What I have done so far:
> > I entered the details specified by Michael McEldowney in my 
> smb.conf I
> > also added one extra that I found in the docs somewhere
> > os level = 65 (I think it was os level - haven't got my
> > smb.conf) I also
> > created a netlogon share and a script that just echo'd a 
> few lines so
> > that I could check it and set up the logon script paramter.
> > (I did this via swat but I guess this doesn't matter - I did
> > check them
> > via emacs & testparm several times) restarted smbd and nmbd.
> > I then changed the domain name of the NT machine and shut it
> > down. I rebooted 98 machine and tried to "log in" or
> > "authenticate myself" I tried both my original windows NT
> > user name and the one for the linux machine to no avail.
> > Always got the message "no domain controller could be found
> > or the password is wrong" and I'm certain the password is correct.
> > Bizarely if I boot up the nt machine it worked which suggested
> > that I need to do something other than just changing the domain
> > name for the NT machine. (The 98 machine *was* trying to log in
> > to the domain specified in the smb.conf workgroup section which
> > *is* different to the one newly changed onthe NT machine) Given
> > that it was approaching 1am and I need all the beauty sleep I can
> > get I thought I'd forget it and have another go tonight so I went
> > back to the NT machine and tried to change the domain back to its
> > original (and still in use by samba) however it wouldn't let me
> > change it back complaining that it was already in use which 
> of course
> > it was and suggests that I was closer to getting it working
> > than I thought. [see question 4]
> >
> >
> > What I haven't done:
> > *Remembered to bring my copy of the smb.conf file in
> > so that I can post it here :-(
> >
> >
> > question 1: Are Samba users different to the linux/machine users ?
> >
> > question 2: Sorry I am NOT deliberately trying to wind people up
> > but I'm still not sure of my terminology is this
> > authentication or logon ?
> >
> > question 3: Philip Mayers wrote/copied from the man page "Note  that
> > Win95/98 Domain logons are NOT the same as Windows  NT
> > Domain  logons."
> > Dare I ask what the difference is or should that be where can I find
> > something
> > to read that will tell me what the differences are ?
> >
> > question 4: So I guess that you guys really need my smb.conf file
> > which I'll get tonight & post tomorrow but without that essential
> > bit of info can anyone shed any light ? Am I trying to do the
> > impossible or I am just a stoopid newbie who will work it out
> > in the near future ?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> 
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