(Was Caution Stoopid Newbie) - A better (Longer) explanation

McEldowney, Michael MMcEldowney at deltaregional.com
Fri Apr 6 13:59:10 GMT 2001


Please continue to post.  Don't let an occasional flare up discourage
you.  Discussion, even heated, is a good thing.  Samba, Linux, and the
Human Race would all be far behind in evolution without it.

I had a similar problem when I first set up my "net at home.com".  I was
able to track it down to name resolution.  Be sure to have WINS or DNS
configured correctly.  WINS is easiest to setup and is best for small
networks (according to Micro$oft.)  Make sure your Win98 box is
configured to use your Samba box for WINS or DNS.  At home I use DHCP to
set up my clients and WINS for name rez.

Name resolution is critical.  If it doesn't work properly, you're domain
won't either.

Hope that helps,

Mike McEldowney
Information Systems Director
Delta Regional Medical Center
v. 662-334-2075
p. 662-379-2498
e. mmceldowney at deltaregional.com

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jet Set Willy [mailto:jsw at manic-miner.freeserve.co.uk]
> Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2001 4:46 AM
> To: samba-ntdom at samba.org
> Subject: (Was Caution Stoopid Newbie) - A better (Longer) explanation
> Well after all this not sure I dare post again
> but seeing as though I have got some new
> flameproof underwear here goes :-)
> Firstly thanks for all the replies - they are
> all really a great help - useful advice and
> kept me smiling while fighting with this. So
> I'll attempt to collate everything, hopefully
> explain where I am up and what I am trying
> to do more clearly and , of course, ask
> some more questions.
> My network is at home and serves no purpose other
> than for me to try and learn a thing or two so it
> is not mission critical - having said that it has
> taken me quite a while to set the thing up and I
> woudn't want to break everything in one go.
> So there are 4 machines - all old obsolete kit but
> still pretty good or at least good enough for me.
> 1) Mandrake 7.1 - with samba set up
> 2) NT 4.0 - currently the pdc
> 3) Win 98 machine
> 4) Mandrake 7.2 - not important (yet - hopefully will
> be used to build/test the latest version of samba etc)
> Current Situation:
> I boot the 98 machine - it comes up
> with the login box I enter my user name, password
> and domain as specified by the NT box. (The NT machine
> has been set up as the PDC for my domain) I can then
> access the shares on the NT and linux machine without
> any problem. (I have set up samba to map the NT user
> names to samba user names [see question 1])
> Where I am trying to get to:
> I want to remove the NT PDC stuff from the equation.
> I will probably still keep the machine on my network
> just not as the PDC - I want to get the linux machine
> to do this. ie I boot up my win98 machine and enter
> my user name, password and domain - samba then
> checks this and either allows or denys access [see
> question 2] to its shares and the shares on the NT box.
> What I have done so far:
> I entered the details specified by Michael McEldowney in my smb.conf I
> also added one extra that I found in the docs somewhere
> os level = 65 (I think it was os level - haven't got my 
> smb.conf) I also
> created a netlogon share and a script that just echo'd a few lines so
> that I could check it and set up the logon script paramter.
> (I did this via swat but I guess this doesn't matter - I did 
> check them
> via emacs & testparm several times) restarted smbd and nmbd.
> I then changed the domain name of the NT machine and shut it
> down. I rebooted 98 machine and tried to "log in" or
> "authenticate myself" I tried both my original windows NT
> user name and the one for the linux machine to no avail.
> Always got the message "no domain controller could be found
> or the password is wrong" and I'm certain the password is correct.
> Bizarely if I boot up the nt machine it worked which suggested
> that I need to do something other than just changing the domain
> name for the NT machine. (The 98 machine *was* trying to log in
> to the domain specified in the smb.conf workgroup section which
> *is* different to the one newly changed onthe NT machine) Given
> that it was approaching 1am and I need all the beauty sleep I can
> get I thought I'd forget it and have another go tonight so I went
> back to the NT machine and tried to change the domain back to its
> original (and still in use by samba) however it wouldn't let me
> change it back complaining that it was already in use which of course
> it was and suggests that I was closer to getting it working
> than I thought. [see question 4]
> What I haven't done:
> *Remembered to bring my copy of the smb.conf file in
> so that I can post it here :-(
> question 1: Are Samba users different to the linux/machine users ?
> question 2: Sorry I am NOT deliberately trying to wind people up
> but I'm still not sure of my terminology is this 
> authentication or logon ?
> question 3: Philip Mayers wrote/copied from the man page "Note  that
> Win95/98 Domain logons are NOT the same as Windows  NT  
> Domain  logons."
> Dare I ask what the difference is or should that be where can I find
> something
> to read that will tell me what the differences are ?
> question 4: So I guess that you guys really need my smb.conf file
> which I'll get tonight & post tomorrow but without that essential
> bit of info can anyone shed any light ? Am I trying to do the
> impossible or I am just a stoopid newbie who will work it out
> in the near future ?

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