Caution Stoopid Newbie

[McEldowney, Michael]

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mark Haney [mailto:mhaney at info4cars.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 10:01 AM
> To: McEldowney, Michael; Jet Set Willy; samba-ntdom at samba.org
> Subject: RE: Caution Stoopid Newbie
> 
> 
> And I do not like being told I am posting bad info by someone 
> who barely
> knows any anything like what I know.

Obviously you think you know it all.

> 
> You and most everyone else out there I am sure misunderstood, what to
> everyone here is obvious.  When I mean 'authentication' I 
> mean act in a DC
> way to do domain authentication.  YOur accusation that I am 
> wrong in this is
> unfounded.  2.0.6 cannot stably be a PDC in an NT domain.  2.0.6 can
> certianly use an NT domain controllers to authenticate.

Your definition/opinion of an NT Domain seems to insist that you must
have a true NT OS operating somewhere on the network.  That isn't
correct.  I run an "NT Domain" at home and at work on Samba alone.  No
NT required.  And it's more stable than you are.

> 
> And as any idiot knows running 'alpha code' in a production 
> environment is
> not the greatest thing in the world to do, but it works well 
> in this case
> and there was _no mention whatsoever_ that this was in a production
> environment, so I stand by my previous statement.

So you make the assumption that JSW was looking for something to test?
There was "_no mention whatsoever_" that he wanted to be a beta tester
either.  In fact, he stated in his "ps" that he's not ready yet to
download and compile.  Read the entire post before you reply to it.

> 
> And a true NT domain controller isn't needed for samba to 
> authenticate is
> true as well.  But he states he wantsd to 'log in' to the 
> samba box.  Unless
> you can read his mind, my first thought was to simply telnet 
> to it if he
> needed access to it other than shares.

Why would a user that wanted to know how to telnet into a box post a
question on the Samba list?  Obviously he wants to logon to the Samba
services.  Duh.

> 
> And your statement that samba is not peer-to-peer is very 
> obviously wrong,
> unless you are doing authentication from some central 
> mechanism such as NIS
> or an NT domain, you are running a peer-to-peer network.

No, your very wrong.  Samba _IS_ the central authentication mechanism,
hence it's not peer-to-peer.  You need to grab a Webster's and look up
the definition of a peer-to-peer network.

>  YOu 
> can run samba
> outside of an NT doamin and have the client auth to it just 
> fine. I do it at
> home.  

Which is exactly the point I'm trying to make.

>
>So get your facts straight before you flame anyone.
> 

As I said before, you shouldn't post bad information.  If you do your
asking for flames.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: samba-ntdom-admin at lists.samba.org
> [mailto:samba-ntdom-admin at lists.samba.org]On Behalf Of McEldowney,
> Michael
> Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 10:38 AM
> To: 'Mark Haney'; Jet Set Willy; samba-ntdom at samba.org
> Subject: RE: Caution Stoopid Newbie
> 
> 
> I'm not trying to be rude Mark, but you shouldn't post bad 
> information.
> See my comments below.
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Mark Haney [mailto:mhaney at info4cars.com]
> > Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 6:15 AM
> > To: Jet Set Willy; samba-ntdom at samba.org
> > Subject: RE: Caution Stoopid Newbie
> >
> >
> > What do you mean by 'log in' to the samba box?  Do you mean
> > authenticate to
> > it?  Or are you just trying to access the entire box itself
> > and not just the
> > shares?  If you are doing authentication, 2.0.6 won't cut it.
> >  YOu'll need
> > the 2.2.0-alpha3 code (the latest and greatest) in order to
> > make samba act
> > as a PDC.
> 
> Err -- wrong.  2.0.6 and 2.0.7 _WILL_ authenticate, that's what the
> smbpasswd file is for.  And alpha code should _NEVER_ be used in
> production.
> 
> >
> > 2.0.6 supports authenticating of almost ANY (win2k excluded 
> I believe)
> > version of windows as long as there is an NT Domain
> > controller available to
> > handle the auth request from the samba box.
> 
> Again, not correct.  A trueNT domain controller is _NOT_ necessary for
> this.  Samba will authenticate all by itself.  I have Win2K boxes
> authenticating on my 2.0.7 server right now.
> 
> > Of course it
> > needs to be part
> > of an NT domain in order to do that, which is in the docs.
> > Without an NT
> > domain, it's just like any other peer-to-peer network in so
> > much as you have
> > to add each user to the samba box that needs access to it.
> 
> OK, partially correct.  You do have to add each user to the Samba box,
> just as you would have to add users to an NT box.  Samba is _NOT_
> peer-to-peer.  Peer-to-peer networks do not authenticate from 
> a central
> server, cannot handle logon scripting, cannot provide home directory
> services, etc.  Samba does all this and more.
> 
> > Unless you use
> > NIS or another central authenticating mechanism.  Let me know
> > if this helps
> > or not.
> >
> 
> Probably not.
> 
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: samba-ntdom-admin at lists.samba.org
> > [mailto:samba-ntdom-admin at lists.samba.org]On Behalf Of Jet Set Willy
> > Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 6:51 AM
> > To: samba-ntdom at samba.org
> > Subject: Caution Stoopid Newbie
> >
> >
> > Please could somebody clear up some confusion I have - I freely
> > admit that I am a clueless newbie in both samba and linux so
> > be warned....
> > I am runing Mandrake 7.1 (if that makes a difference) and have
> > managed to get samba running quite well ( verion 2.0.6) ie I
> > can see shares copy files from my win98 machine and so on.
> > Works perfectly. Now what I really want  (what I really really want)
> > is to be able to login to the linux box from the 98 machine. So
> > far I have waded thru the text docs that come with samba, I've
> > read a couple of how-to's  and bought a book ( think
> > is the samba black book but can't be sure of the exact title
> > cos I've left it at home). Finally I've found this mailing list !
> >
> > So far the documentation seems fairly confusing (to a newbie)
> > as I understand it later versions[1] of samba support NT PDC
> > type things however it suggests that the version I have will allow
> > 98 logons - can somebody point me in the direction of a definitive
> > answer of what 2.0.6 will support ie I think it supports logons from
> > 98 machines but doesn't do full PDC - is this correct ? If so then
> > I guess there must be some differences between the two - what
> > are they ?
> >
> > Hope somebody can help, thanks
> > JSW
> >
> >
> > [1] I don't think I am up to downloading and recompling a newer
> > version of samba *just* yet - give me time though
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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