Caution Stoopid Newbie

Mark Haney mhaney at
Wed Apr 4 15:01:05 GMT 2001

And I do not like being told I am posting bad info by someone who barely
knows any anything like what I know.

You and most everyone else out there I am sure misunderstood, what to
everyone here is obvious.  When I mean 'authentication' I mean act in a DC
way to do domain authentication.  YOur accusation that I am wrong in this is
unfounded.  2.0.6 cannot stably be a PDC in an NT domain.  2.0.6 can
certianly use an NT domain controllers to authenticate.

And as any idiot knows running 'alpha code' in a production environment is
not the greatest thing in the world to do, but it works well in this case
and there was _no mention whatsoever_ that this was in a production
environment, so I stand by my previous statement.

And a true NT domain controller isn't needed for samba to authenticate is
true as well.  But he states he wantsd to 'log in' to the samba box.  Unless
you can read his mind, my first thought was to simply telnet to it if he
needed access to it other than shares.

And your statement that samba is not peer-to-peer is very obviously wrong,
unless you are doing authentication from some central mechanism such as NIS
or an NT domain, you are running a peer-to-peer network.  YOu can run samba
outside of an NT doamin and have the client auth to it just fine. I do it at
home.  So get your facts straight before you flame anyone.

-----Original Message-----
From: samba-ntdom-admin at
[mailto:samba-ntdom-admin at]On Behalf Of McEldowney,
Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 10:38 AM
To: 'Mark Haney'; Jet Set Willy; samba-ntdom at
Subject: RE: Caution Stoopid Newbie

I'm not trying to be rude Mark, but you shouldn't post bad information.
See my comments below.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Mark Haney [mailto:mhaney at]
> Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 6:15 AM
> To: Jet Set Willy; samba-ntdom at
> Subject: RE: Caution Stoopid Newbie
> What do you mean by 'log in' to the samba box?  Do you mean
> authenticate to
> it?  Or are you just trying to access the entire box itself
> and not just the
> shares?  If you are doing authentication, 2.0.6 won't cut it.
>  YOu'll need
> the 2.2.0-alpha3 code (the latest and greatest) in order to
> make samba act
> as a PDC.

Err -- wrong.  2.0.6 and 2.0.7 _WILL_ authenticate, that's what the
smbpasswd file is for.  And alpha code should _NEVER_ be used in

> 2.0.6 supports authenticating of almost ANY (win2k excluded I believe)
> version of windows as long as there is an NT Domain
> controller available to
> handle the auth request from the samba box.

Again, not correct.  A trueNT domain controller is _NOT_ necessary for
this.  Samba will authenticate all by itself.  I have Win2K boxes
authenticating on my 2.0.7 server right now.

> Of course it
> needs to be part
> of an NT domain in order to do that, which is in the docs.
> Without an NT
> domain, it's just like any other peer-to-peer network in so
> much as you have
> to add each user to the samba box that needs access to it.

OK, partially correct.  You do have to add each user to the Samba box,
just as you would have to add users to an NT box.  Samba is _NOT_
peer-to-peer.  Peer-to-peer networks do not authenticate from a central
server, cannot handle logon scripting, cannot provide home directory
services, etc.  Samba does all this and more.

> Unless you use
> NIS or another central authenticating mechanism.  Let me know
> if this helps
> or not.

Probably not.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: samba-ntdom-admin at
> [mailto:samba-ntdom-admin at]On Behalf Of Jet Set Willy
> Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 6:51 AM
> To: samba-ntdom at
> Subject: Caution Stoopid Newbie
> Please could somebody clear up some confusion I have - I freely
> admit that I am a clueless newbie in both samba and linux so
> be warned....
> I am runing Mandrake 7.1 (if that makes a difference) and have
> managed to get samba running quite well ( verion 2.0.6) ie I
> can see shares copy files from my win98 machine and so on.
> Works perfectly. Now what I really want  (what I really really want)
> is to be able to login to the linux box from the 98 machine. So
> far I have waded thru the text docs that come with samba, I've
> read a couple of how-to's  and bought a book ( think
> is the samba black book but can't be sure of the exact title
> cos I've left it at home). Finally I've found this mailing list !
> So far the documentation seems fairly confusing (to a newbie)
> as I understand it later versions[1] of samba support NT PDC
> type things however it suggests that the version I have will allow
> 98 logons - can somebody point me in the direction of a definitive
> answer of what 2.0.6 will support ie I think it supports logons from
> 98 machines but doesn't do full PDC - is this correct ? If so then
> I guess there must be some differences between the two - what
> are they ?
> Hope somebody can help, thanks
> [1] I don't think I am up to downloading and recompling a newer
> version of samba *just* yet - give me time though

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