The Hermit Hacker scrappy at
Tue Sep 26 15:46:25 GMT 2000

Two things -

	Luke, I agree completely with your comments on how open source
works ... after spending 4 years co-ordinating and developing with the
PostgreSQL crew, the concept of "put something in, let it break and fix it
to be stronger" *still* is encouraged to a large extent.  

	Second, a heartfelt thanks for the years you've put into this
.. and am sad to see you leave :(

On Tue, 26 Sep 2000, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote:

> > code it. No other options are acceptible. And remember it has to be done
> > *professionally*. No memory leaks, no buffer overruns, full
> > I18N support (no ascii only code please).
> i was waiting for a comment like this.
> this is one of the reasons why i will not work with samba any more.
> the standards are excessively high to be able to do any kind of
> incremental development.
> open source projects are all about incremental development.
> start off small, with something that just about does the job.  continue to
> do improvements, and continue to accept improvements.
> the expectations of the primary samba developers have gone well beyond the
> bounds where it is possible for anyone to help except those people and
> their contributions that they consider to be worthy.
> i spent three, maybe four years encouraging various people to contribute.
> that includes comments on APIs, specifications, documentation, bug
> reports, FAQs, and code. i can recall the following who have made various
> coding contributions.
> steffan lauer.
> elrond.
> sander striker.
> luke howard.
> timothy cole.
> danny breiss.
> all of these peoples' efforts, through insatiably high standards, have
> been rejected.  i did not realise that i represent these people, and i am
> sorry that i let you all down.
> i actually couldn't care less about any personal problematic attitude
> towards my development style, but i do care about samba and the efforts o
> the people who have helped with TNG.
> i am also seriously concerned about the effect that the current approach
> may have on samba's future, and also on the people who take such an
> approach.
> luke

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