Why should one need to CVS the whole TNG setup stuff, and run a couple of daemons, just to use pam_ntdom?? You didn't before.... Argh, how annoying. What was broken about it before? -- Edward Schernau, mailto:ed at schernau.com Network Architect http://www.schernau.com RC5-64#: 243249 e-gold acct #:131897