[clug] linux Digest, Vol 199, Issue 15

Sun Jul 7 03:06:00 UTC 2019

Hi everyone,

I am not an active member of the community and I only been to a few events and meetings. But I had a pleasure to meet some of the members of the CLUG community to enjoy pizza or dinner after the meetup. I usually don't follow all the email threads, but the frequency of this thread got my attention. After reading the posts, I was sad to see a complete lack of principle of charity[1] and critical thinking[2]. So it is refreshing to see common sense coming back, thanks to Jim and Bob.

It is shocking to see how quickly the groupthink[3] can hijack the whole debate within just a few clicks. Unfortunately, this is a social psychology textbook example, so it does not surprise it all turned into the Monty Python Argument Clinic[4] instead of using valid arguments[5].

Code of conduct is a good thing, but it doesn't teach you critical thinking and how to argue for, instead of against. I am afraid that it won't be long before another post sparks another social conflict. The COC  doesn't teach you willingness to understand the other person disposition, to calm things down when they get heated and more essential to be compassionate to people who may need your help or understanding. 

I hope that some will be able to learn from this experience.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Principle_of_charity
[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Critical_thinking
[3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Groupthink
[4] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xpAvcGcEc0k
[5] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument
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   1. Re: Member Moderation - Bryan Kilgallin (jhock at iinet.net.au)
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   3. Re: Member Moderation - Bryan Kilgallin (Bryan Kilgallin)

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Message: 1
Date: Sat, 06 Jul 2019 18:51:34 +1000
From: "jhock at iinet.net.au" <jhock at iinet.net.au>
To: Alastair D'Silva <alastair at d-silva.org>, jhock--- via linux
	<linux at lists.samba.org>, Eyal Lebedinsky <eyal at eyal.emu.id.au>, Eyal
	Lebedinsky via linux <linux at lists.samba.org>, linux at lists.samba.org
Subject: Re: [clug] Member Moderation - Bryan Kilgallin
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Ah yes. Well spotted. It now works.

This CoC looks very similar to those mentioned on HUMBUG website. I'm sure I can meet these requirements.

My granny would approve.  ;--)

John. 

On 6 July 2019 18:40:36 GMT+10:00, Alastair D'Silva <alastair at d-silva.org> wrote:
>You've probably picked up a comma at the end of the URL.
>
>On 6 July 2019 1:13:43 pm AEST, jhock--- via linux
><linux at lists.samba.org> wrote:
>>Maybe it's something to do with my ToR setup and browsing security. Oh
>>well. I'll just stick with "don't say it if I wouldn't say it to my
>>granny" and hope that I meet the CoC's.
>>
>>John. 
>>
>>On 6 July 2019 10:03:10 GMT+10:00, Eyal Lebedinsky via linux
>><linux at lists.samba.org> wrote:
>>>On 06/07/2019 09.45, jhock--- via linux wrote:
>>>> Hi Steve,
>>>> 
>>>> I just got back from holidays and tried to view the CoC but got an
>>>404 page not found error. Have they moved or been removed?
>>>
>>>No problem here...
>>>
>>>> John.
>>>> 
>>>> On 4 July 2019 00:14:59 GMT+10:00, Steve Walsh via linux
>>><linux at lists.samba.org> wrote:
>>>>> Hello Everyone
>>>>>
>>>>> We've had an unfortunate few days on the list, so in an effort to
>>>move
>>>>> forward with a more Linux-related discussion, I have requested the
>>>>> mailing list admins apply a moderation flag to Bryan Kilgallin's
>>>email
>>>>> address. Emails from Bryan will be held in a queue, and where the
>>>post
>>>>> positively contributes to an ongoing discussion, they will be
>>>released
>>>>> through to the list.
>>>>>
>>>>> To be balanced in this effort,? I have also sought volunteers from
>>a
>>>>> selection of active list members to assist with the moderation of
>>>the
>>>>> email list.
>>>>>
>>>>> To help limit this from re-occurring in future, I've also done a
>>>first
>>>>> pass at a Code of Conduct for CLUG. This can be found online at
>>>>>
>>>https://gitlab.com/clug-au/code-of-conduct/blob/master/CodeOfConduct,
>>>>> and feedback is welcome.
>>>>>
>>>>> This document? is not an attempt to exclude people from meetings.
>>It
>>>>> is,
>>>>> however, a guide that everyone can use to gauge what is acceptable
>>>>> behavior, both on the list and in our monthly face to face
>>meetings.
>>>>>
>>>>> It is intended to be a living document and in an effort to be as
>>>open
>>>>> around this process as we can be, please send any edit suggestions
>>>to
>>>>> the list for discussion, and if the general consensus is they
>>>>> positively
>>>>> contribute to the CoC document and to the community, they'll be
>>>>> incorporated.
>>>>>
>>>>> Many thanks
>>>>>
>>>>> Steve
>>>> 
>>
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Message: 2
Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2019 15:38:21 +1000
From: Bryan Kilgallin <kilgallin at iinet.net.au>
To: linux at lists.samba.org
Subject: Re: [clug] Member Moderation - Bryan Kilgallin
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Thanks, Elena:

Some members don't attend, as they fear the highbrow technology!

People pick up ailments as we get older. Suppose the audience were asked 
whether members understood. Then a deaf said that they couldn't hear, 
and a vision-impaired person said that they couldn't see?

A depressive person will see their world darkly. Isolation would be no 
more skillful than chucking out those with weak hearing or vision!
-- 
members.iinet.net.au/~kilgallin/

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Message: 3
Date: Sat, 6 Jul 2019 16:06:21 +1000
From: Bryan Kilgallin <kilgallin at iinet.net.au>
To: linux at lists.samba.org, Su Hanfling <su.hanfling at bcsact.com.au>
Subject: Re: [clug] Member Moderation - Bryan Kilgallin
Message-ID: <cea0381e-bbaa-2571-2fee-4863f04c366f at iinet.net.au>
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Neill spoke adversely on this topic. But I disagree that mental illness 
cannot be learned about or accommodated. My art tutor has completed the 
Mental Health First Aid course. And I know someone who completed a 
mental health course at CIT.

{Approximately 20% of Australian adults experience a common mental 
illness each year. Completing an MHFA Course will help you to develop 
the skills to support a friend, family member or co-worker.

Having mental health first aid skills means that you can assist someone 
developing a mental health problem or experiencing a mental health 
crisis and make a real difference to your community.}

https://mhfa.com.au/why-mhfa
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members.iinet.net.au/~kilgallin/

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