[clug] [OT] Broadband clangers

[Sam Couter]

Neill Cox <neill.cox at ingenious.com.au> wrote:
> I call strawman.
> 
> Some of the items that are refused classification involve harm to others:
> 
> - Bestiality: Harm to animals who cannot give informed consent
> - Pedophilia: Harm to children
> - Sexually violent material - some of which may involve consenting adults,
> but there is certainly material involve where one of the parties is not
> consenting.

And I can't defend the production of any of that material. But not all
material is so objectively easy to dismiss, eg. material that depicts
simulations of any of the categories you mentioned.

BTW, I'm going to split a hair here: Pedophilia doesn't harm children
because it's a sexual preference or deviance or mental illness depending
on your viewpoint but not an action. Acting on those urges and actually
molesting children harms them whether you're taking pictures of it or not.

> Even as an adult your freedoms are restricted in many ways.  You cannot
> legally travel at whatever speed you like.

Not on a public road, but that's because of the increased risk of
substantial harm posed to others. I can do so (and have) on a race track,
for example.

> You cannot legally inflict harm on others.

Now who's busting out the strawman? Reading a book or watching a movie
doesn't harm others.

> Material you may want to view as an adult may have harmed others in its
> production.

And it's absolutely fine that people who harm others are prosecuted.
That's not the problem.
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Sam Couter         |  mailto:sam at couter.id.au
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