[clug] Scope of list

James Polley clug at zhasper.com
Wed Sep 16 02:17:25 MDT 2009


/me weighs in with his single allowable post on this topic

On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 4:37 PM, Robert Edwards <bob at cs.anu.edu.au> wrote:
> David Lloyd wrote:
>>
>> Robert,
>>
>> Robert Edwards wrote:
>>>
>>> Thanks Daniel,
>>>
>>> Time to defend my thought...
>>
>> Indeed.
>
> Thanks David.
>
> I think some of my suggestion may have been lost in the various mails.
>
>>> If I wanted to know about issues common to Canberra and Melbourne, I
>>> could read the Linux Australia mailing list. That is (partly) what it
>>> is there for. Or I'd look up the archives of the LUV lists. This is the
>>> CLUG list and it is called the CLUG list for a reason.
>>
>> Let's try Adelaide - when's the next LinuxSA meeting?
>
> What does this mean? I don't understand...
>
>>> Jacinta, on the other hand, has presented, with Paul (not that that is
>>> relevant...), at CLUG-supported PERL user meetings here in Canberra
>>> (which I have attended) and so _I_ would definitely consider her as
>>> someone welcome to contribute to CLUG discussions, but, again, keeping
>>> in mind that it is the CLUG list (not Linux Australia etc.).
>>
>> So there are exceptions? How about people who've contributed quite a lot
>> to another LUG, helped organise InstallFests (for Linux), been an LCA
>> organiser, was in the background when the idea of forming OSIA was touted,
>> helped build a distribution network when broadband didn't really exist who
>> happen to have also lurked on the CLUG mailing list for, well, somewhere
>> between 8 and 10 years?
>>
>> Oh, btw, I have an Australian Passport if that matters.
>
> I consider anyone who has had some connection with Linux/FOSSD in the
> Canberra region to be part of the "target" audience of the CLUG mailing
> list. Jacinta is not an exception - I would consider anyone who has
> given of their time and energy etc. to come and present at a _Canberra_
> LUG meeting to be part of this "community".
>
> And I certainly don't have any problems with anyone "lurking" on the
> CLUG list. I just think there are more appropriate lists for them to
> have their "active participation" discussions. This was all in the
> original posting.

If I'm reading you correctly here, you're suggesting that if
"foreigners" such as myself notice an interesting conversation here,
we should be allowed to comment on that topic at most once, and the
preferred comment would be a link to a discussion on my local LUG list
on the same topic.

I'm not sure what you think this would achieve. It wouldn't let me
contribute to the clug list; it wouldn't let you contribute to any of
the other LUG lists, as I assume you'd expect other LUGs to apply your
standards as well, so you'd have to limit yourself to a single post,
which would only be a pointer back to the thread on CLUG...

In this scenario it's hard to see how any kind of meaningful dialogue
could take place. I'd have to post my thoughts on a SLUG list, hope
that you read them, monitor CLUG in case you responded; and even if
you did respond and I noticed, I'd have to respond on SLUG, instead of
responding to you here.

I'm sure I've got something wrong here; please let me know what I'm missing.

/me shuts up until the next thread

>
>>> What I would be more interested in
>>> is how many of them are from Canberra and the surrounding region, but
>>> that is hard/impossible to determine from their e-mail address alone...
>>
>> If that's what you were interested in you could have said so without
>> essentially upsetting those who might be lurking, or those who might happen
>> to know an answer or two to a question posed by a "real CLUG member". By
>> jolly, what if no Canberran happens to know the answer to a question? Are
>> the rest of us meant to, well, shut up?
>
> This is not really the scenario that is a problem, but the response
> would be up to each individual "lurker". Some may just post back to the
> list with an answer. Others may post directly to the OP. I don't want to
> proscribe any particular way of dealing with this situation. People can
> ask their questions on other lists if they don't get the response they
> are looking for from the CLUG list.
>
>>> Anyways, we need to see what others come up with. CLUG has no leadership
>>> as such, so this is just my own thought on the issue.
>>
>> CLUG is a community of people, many of whom share some form of association
>> with Canberra and its surrounds. Others, like myself, might consider
>> themselves part of a greater Linux community and might therefore invite
>> themselves in to lurk (or otherwise talk) [and yes, I'm on Humbug, SLUG,
>> Plug and various other user group lists too].
>>
>> Hmmm, let's see.
>>
>> On your definition, UNLESS Linus has presented at a CLUG supported user
>> meeting IN CANBERRA, I suppose he shouldn't be subscribed either?
>>
>> Oh, I make myself laugh.
>>
>
> I'm not sure why you are laughing. Linus has been to Canberra at least
> twice and given a talk here at least once (although CLUG didn't exist
> at that time, as far as I know). And you have (again) confused being
> subscribed to the CLUG list with being involved in active discussions on
> it (not that I would mind if Linus was...although others might...).
>
> Again, this is all just coming from me. Let's see where the discussion
> goes.
>
>> DSL
>
> Cheers,
>
> Bob Edwards.
>
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