[clug] Kubuntu 8.10 first impressions

Randall Crook rcrook at vtown.com.au
Tue Nov 11 08:39:07 GMT 2008

Crippling is not really what I think they are doing.... But same as 
Apple and MS hiding a lot of thing they think users wont want to see...

I hated having to go in and hack config files to get both gnome and KDE2 
to look and feel the way I want it too....  KDE 3 fixed that. But so far 
KDE 4 seems to be a huge backwards step.... I have yet to see functions 
that would entice me to it. Simple things like moving where the plamsa 
widget sits, not there... changing the panel font without freaking the 
rest of the desktop, not there, So much that should be there is just not 
there... you get the one theme and if you don't like the font in the 
list drop downs, tough....

I am sorry but after years of being able to tweak anything I want in the 
look and feel to now be thrown into a desktop where I am lucky if I can 
change the desktop background... Yes I am disappointed.

You say give it time.... Fine, how about Kubuntu giving me that option? 
No sorry.... KDE3 is dead, you have to use KDE4 or go elsewhere...

Not very good is it? Kubuntu/Ubuntu has dragged linux up from a geek 
toy, but decisions like this will drag it back down.

"Vista lets me change the font size on my menus without having to edit a 
file." Sound familiar?


Brad Hards wrote:
> On Tuesday 11 November 2008 05:17:49 pm Randall Crook wrote:
>> Get the feeling there is a lot of changes just for change sake. The team
>> has over simplified the interface. To the point that a lot of very
>> useful functionality has just vanished.
> [I'll respond to this part of your email - it seems to capture what the rest 
> of your email, and much of this thread, says.]
> From where I'm sitting, I think this viewpoint is incorrect. KDE developers do 
> not want to cripple your desktop, or take away your ability to configure your 
> desktop (since it isn't just your desktop - they use it too!). The reason why 
> KDE 4.1 doesn't do all the same things as KDE 3.5 is two-fold:
>  - those features were considered broken in KDE3, or a better way was seen for 
> KDE 4.
>  - the feature just hasn't been ported yet.
> I think the latter is much more common than the former, remembering that KDE 
> 4.1 isn't the end of KDE 4. 
> That isn't to say that KDE4 is all roses (konsole gives me the irrits too). 
> However a lot of what I'm reading represents the current state to malice or 
> ignorance on the part of the developers, which I think is a bit unreasonable.
> I would point out that it isn't that hard to help out (e.g. write code, submit 
> bugs with actual backtraces, triage bugs, do documentation or art, whatever 
> you like really) if you want to make KDE better.
> Brad

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