[clug] Re: linux Digest, Vol 51, Issue 26
Ryan Hayes
hayes.ryan at gmail.com
Thu Mar 22 03:34:00 GMT 2007
Just out of curiosity, I found N101 last night, yet the doors lock around
6pm (or so my friend that studies in ANU says)
I guess you guys prop it open? (or should I just make a copy of my friends
ANU access card :P )
Thanks
Ryan
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> 1. Recording clug talks (Pascal Klein)
> 2. Re: Recording clug talks (Robert Edwards)
> 3. Re: What can't be distributed with Linux? (Chris Smart)
> 4. Parking at CLUG (Craig Small)
> 5. Re: Parking at CLUG (Chris Smart)
> 6. Re: Parking at CLUG (David Tulloh)
> 7. Re: Parking at CLUG (Mike Carden)
> 8. Re: What can't be distributed with Linux? (Alex Satrapa)
> 9. Re: What can't be distributed with Linux? (David Tulloh)
> 10. Re: Recording clug talks (Alex Satrapa)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Wed, 21 Mar 2007 22:59:45 +1100
> From: Pascal Klein <4pascal at tpg.com.au>
> Subject: [clug] Recording clug talks
> To: CLUG <linux at lists.samba.org>
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> Hey all,
>
> I was conversing with an international friend when the topic of
> recording talks came up and somehow we landed on recording lug stuff. I
> was wondering whether this would indeed be a possibility and how
> difficult setting this up and then making the recordings available
> (preferably in OGG) over the net?
>
>
> Kind regards.
>
> -Pascal
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2007 09:43:14 +1100
> From: Robert Edwards <bob at cs.anu.edu.au>
> Subject: Re: [clug] Recording clug talks
> To: Pascal Klein <4pascal at tpg.com.au>
> Cc: CLUG <linux at lists.samba.org>
> Message-ID: <4601B502.9050909 at cs.anu.edu.au>
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>
> There are multiple ways to do this, although not sure about the results,
> given the relatively unstructured nature of the talks (eg. if someone
> on the floor asks a question, should it be recorded, or should the
> speaker "remember" to repeat the question before answering it? etc).
>
> I use a little iRiver MP3 player/recorded to record my lectures. I can
> bring it along tonight if either of the speakers are keen to wear it.
>
> To do it more properly, we would need microphones set up to record
> everyone (N101 already has this for the Access Grid - I might look into
> whether we could use the Access Grid's audio recording facilities for
> CLUG meetings).
>
> Other than that, a laptop with a lapel mic attached would do the job,
> to some extent and could encode directly into OGG (presumably vorbis?)
>
> Cheers,
>
> Bob Edwards.
>
> Pascal Klein wrote:
> > Hey all,
> >
> > I was conversing with an international friend when the topic of
> > recording talks came up and somehow we landed on recording lug stuff. I
> > was wondering whether this would indeed be a possibility and how
> > difficult setting this up and then making the recordings available
> > (preferably in OGG) over the net?
> >
> >
> > Kind regards.
> >
> > -Pascal
> >
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2007 09:45:39 +1100
> From: Chris Smart <chris at kororaa.org>
> Subject: Re: [clug] What can't be distributed with Linux?
> To: doclivingston at gmail.com
> Cc: linux at lists.samba.org
> Message-ID: <1174517139.6575.7.camel at shem>
> Content-Type: text/plain
>
> Thanks Doc,
> It seems to get harder every day.
>
> Cheers,
> Chris
>
> On Tue, 2007-03-20 at 00:05 +1100, James "Doc" Livingston wrote:
> > On Mon, 2007-03-19 at 09:56 +1100, Sam Couter wrote:
> > > > What about things like win32codecs? I know most distros don't
> include
> > > > them by default, but I'm not sure whether they are distributable. If
> > > > they aren't, then how can they be downloaded from mplayer off the
> net?
> > >
> > > They're widely available all over the net. I don't know whether that's
> > > strictly legal or not, or whether it's legal to put them on a CD.
> Either
> > > way, Linux isn't a factor.
> >
> > In the case of w32codecs, they are dlls copied from a Windows
> > installation. You *might* be allowed to copy them from your own Windows
> > installation, you'd have to read the Windows EULA carefully to find out,
> > but distributing them is certainly a copyright violation.
> >
> > As mentioned libdvdcss has problems in countries which have laws
> > restricting the circumvention of copyright controls.
> >
> >
> > As well as those, plenty of codecs have patent issues if you live in a
> > country that has software patents (e.g. Australia). If you distribute
> > the codecs without getting a patent licence, you could be sued by
> > whoever holds the patent.
> >
> > If you do get a patent licence, they fun doesn't stop there - the
> > licence of a reasonable amount of open-source software (notably anything
> > GPL'd) is possibly incompatible with the terms of the patent licence.
> >
> > For example Fluendo have a MP3 decoder plugin for GStreamer, whose
> > binary version has a proper patent licence. The source of the plugins is
> > MIT licenced, but that doesn't get you the patent licence, and the terms
> > of distribution on the binary version (as required by the patent holder)
> > and incompatible with the GPL. I've been told that several groups
> > (including Fluendo and Red Hat) have received legal advice that shipping
> > both the Fleundo MP3 plugin and any GPL'd software that uses it would be
> > a violation of the GPL, and as such you could be sued by the copyright
> > holders of the GPL'd software.
> >
> >
> >
> > Multimedia things tend to have the biggest mess of patents and
> > licencing, but other things do too.
> >
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > James "Doc" Livingston
> > --
> > If at first you don't succeed, sky diving is not for you.
> >
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2007 10:30:09 +1100
> From: Craig Small <csmall at enc.com.au>
> Subject: [clug] Parking at CLUG
> To: linux at lists.samba.org
> Message-ID: <20070321233009.GA31499 at enc.com.au>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
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> Hi,
> Anyone know where the best place to park to get to CLUG? Never been
> before.
>
> - Craig
> --
> Craig Small GnuPG:1C1B D893 1418 2AF4 45EE 95CB C76C E5AC 12CA DFA5
> http://www.enc.com.au/ csmall at : enc.com.au
> http://www.debian.org/ Debian GNU/Linux, software should be Free
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2007 10:51:01 +1100
> From: Chris Smart <chris at kororaa.org>
> Subject: Re: [clug] Parking at CLUG
> To: Craig Small <csmall at enc.com.au>
> Cc: linux at lists.samba.org
> Message-ID: <1174521061.6575.14.camel at shem>
> Content-Type: text/plain
>
> On Thu, 2007-03-22 at 10:30 +1100, Craig Small wrote:
> > Hi,
> > Anyone know where the best place to park to get to CLUG? Never been
> > before.
> Hi Craig,
> Welcome. Check out the map at the webpage:
> http://clug.org.au/
> If you're driving into the ANU from Barry Drive (corner with the Apple
> Centre) you can turn left up North Road where there is a little parking
> on the left hand side (opposite the Computer Science Building near the
> tennis courts / outdoor gym area), or on the same road keep going
> through the shared pedestrian area around to where there is lots of
> parking. It's a short walk across the grass and behind a few buildings
> to the back of Computer Science.
>
> Similarly if you follow the road around past the Apple Centre instead of
> turning up North Road there is parking there on the left.
>
> Hope that makes sense. Someone who studies / works at ANU could probably
> provide better instructions.
>
> Cheers,
> Chris
>
> >
> > - Craig
> > --
> > Craig Small GnuPG:1C1B D893 1418 2AF4 45EE 95CB C76C E5AC 12CA
> DFA5
> > http://www.enc.com.au/ csmall at :
> enc.com.au
> > http://www.debian.org/ Debian GNU/Linux, software should be
> Free
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2007 10:56:18 +1100
> From: David Tulloh <david at tulloh.id.au>
> Subject: Re: [clug] Parking at CLUG
> To: linux at lists.samba.org
> Message-ID: <4601C622.7030204 at tulloh.id.au>
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> Craig Small wrote:
> > Hi,
> > Anyone know where the best place to park to get to CLUG? Never been
> > before.
> >
> > - Craig
> >
> Hi Craig,
>
> Using this map,
> http://campusmap.anu.edu.au/displaymap.asp?grid=gh54
>
> CLUG is in building 108, you access it from the left hand side, about
> half way down.
> The parking on the map is the orange colour, I recommend the carpark
> blob off Daley road to the right of building 35 (but not requiring the
> big looping drive).
> It's a fairly small dirt carpark marked as Staff Parking, but not
> enforced after 5pm.
> From there you walk diagonally in a straight line to the CLUG building,
> it's fairly well lit.
>
> There is closer parking to CLUG but to park there you would be going
> against ANU parking regulations and they have been known to enforce it
> during CLUG meeting times.
>
>
> David
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2007 11:08:32 +1100
> From: "Mike Carden" <mike.carden at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [clug] Parking at CLUG
> To: linux at lists.samba.org
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> As has been mentioned, don't assume that just because you are the only
> car in an empty car park, parked in a space marked 'Visitors' on a
> dark night, that you are safe from the parking police. Grrrr.
>
> I now make a habit of parking in the dirt carpark shown in orange to
> the left of the word ROAD from Daley Rd on this map:
> http://campusmap.anu.edu.au/displaymap.asp?grid=gh54
>
> It's then just a matter of walking between buildings 35A and 115 about
> 100 metres to the door at the back of the Computer Science building.
> Keep an eye out for dazed geeks if you get lost - we're easy to spot.
>
> MC
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 8
> Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2007 11:34:19 +1100
> From: Alex Satrapa <grail at goldweb.com.au>
> Subject: Re: [clug] What can't be distributed with Linux?
> To: CLUG List <linux at lists.samba.org>
> Message-ID: <45D12EFD-F075-4F0C-B448-39BC57616978 at goldweb.com.au>
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> On 22/03/2007, at 09:45 , Chris Smart wrote:
>
> > Thanks Doc,
> > It seems to get harder every day.
>
> Actually, it gets easier and easier.
>
> Decision tree as follows:
>
> Is the software distributed under a GPL2+ Licence?
> yes) you can package it with your distribution
> no) you shouldn't package it with your distribution
>
> ... couldn't be easier.
>
> Alex
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 9
> Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2007 12:18:39 +1100
> From: David Tulloh <david at tulloh.id.au>
> Subject: Re: [clug] What can't be distributed with Linux?
> To: Alex Satrapa <grail at goldweb.com.au>
> Cc: CLUG List <linux at lists.samba.org>
> Message-ID: <4601D96F.3060503 at tulloh.id.au>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed
>
> Alex Satrapa wrote:
> > On 22/03/2007, at 09:45 , Chris Smart wrote:
> >
> >> Thanks Doc,
> >> It seems to get harder every day.
> >
> > Actually, it gets easier and easier.
> >
> > Decision tree as follows:
> >
> > Is the software distributed under a GPL2+ Licence?
> > yes) you can package it with your distribution
> > no) you shouldn't package it with your distribution
> >
> > ... couldn't be easier.
> >
> > Alex
> >
>
> There goes Apache (apache licence), Vim (Vim licence), 'more' and many
> other basic command line tools (BSD licence) and even the linux kernel
> (strictly GPLv2 only).
>
> I think if you actually checked, more of your Linux system is running
> code that isn't GPL2+ than is. What's more, people like making up their
> own licence so you have to read many of them and determine exactly what
> the licence requires you to do.
>
> David
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 10
> Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2007 12:22:19 +1100
> From: Alex Satrapa <grail at goldweb.com.au>
> Subject: Re: [clug] Recording clug talks
> To: CLUG List <linux at lists.samba.org>
> Message-ID: <FBE26B26-EA21-4568-A3F9-A46C5893E10D at goldweb.com.au>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed
>
> On 22/03/2007, at 09:43 , Robert Edwards wrote:
>
> > Other than that, a laptop with a lapel mic attached would do the job,
> > to some extent and could encode directly into OGG (presumably vorbis?)
>
> Most video cameras do a decent enough job to capture questions from
> the audience (crappy quality, but still audible), especially since
> the back of the podium is a solid, painted wall. I have a R�de
> Videomic which gives a very good quality sound from "the front", with
> muted sound from the sides (ie: the audience).
>
> If you want to record stuff that's happening on-screen, you really
> need a screen capture device - a video camera does not have the
> resolution required to capture anything interesting. Using a video
> editing program you can do transition between the gesticulating
> presenter and the on-screen display ("Over here you can see..." [zoom
> effect to overlay screen capture on top of video]).
>
> The only catch is that a video camera will typically have a 90 minute
> tape, so someone will have to cue the presenter to pause (and for all
> discussion to cease!) for the 15 seconds it takes to change tapes and
> battery, if the whole meeting is to be captured without losing
> portions. Alternately the camera operator will need to take advantage
> of breaks in presentations to change tapes ahead of time.
>
> Whether it's a sound-only or video recording, someone will need to
> dedicate the time to edit and index the presentation - I've found
> that you need to budget thrice as much time as the presentation
> lasts, in order to account for two reviews of the material - one
> review with plenty of rewinds to get rough timings for indexes and
> coarse editing, and a second review with a small number of rewinds to
> fine tune the indexes and trim edits down to frames.
>
> If someone's interested in being cameraman, I can arrange to get my
> camcorder + videomic + tripod + tapes and batteries to Bob on meeting
> days and pick it up the day after, making the edited video and sound
> recordings available sometime on Saturday. Just the videomic itself
> should be an excellent means to capture sound, if you have a
> recording device with microphone input - the videomic is a powered
> mic and provides very strong signals to the recording equipment.
>
> I can't offer to host this stuff. IIRC, a 2 hour presentation can be
> compressed down to really grainy video (just capturing the
> presenter's antics with little detail) with high quality sound in
> about 80MB.
>
> It's a "trivial" exercise to take just the sound from the recording.
> The presenter would then need to be aware that they can't just do
> stuff on screen, they have to narrate their actions and the visible
> outcomes since there is a blind person in the audience (ie: everyone
> listening to the recording).
>
> Alex
>
>
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