[clug] MtM - content update
chris at kororaa.org
Thu Mar 15 04:46:47 GMT 2007
On Thursday 15 March 2007 15:26, Nathan O'Sullivan wrote:
> I guess you could argue about the relative popularity of distributions
> all day, and not get anywhere. It was certainly my impression that
> Madriva usage - and hence, support community - was well below the above
> 3 above, but I will happily stand corrected!
Although not definitive, Mandriva is number 6 on the distrowatch.com rankings
and I know Mandriva does have a large following still.
> Choice is a funny thing. I'm glad to have it, but I personally did not
> get into desktop linux until the release of Ubuntu - and I was able to
> make the switch for one reason: lack of choice. Ubuntu picked what they
> felt was a good mix of applications, and with that I was able to get a
> foot in on the desktop and proceed with my usual workflow.
Yeah I understand this point of view and that it has worked for you, but
Ubuntu was not the first distro to do what you describe. Suse by default
selects a nice KDE env for you, though you can also click one button that
changes it from KDE to GNOME. Mandriva is KDE based, Fedora is GNOME based by
default. I do like the way Ubuntu has one single CD though which makes it
easy to just get up and running.
> I guess my point is, if it were up to me I would just say "Try Ubuntu,
> if you do not like it linux is not for you". Course we have our funny
> distribution-wars online so you have to end up suggesting multiple
> things to avoid being labelled a zealot.
Well I don't like Ubuntu personally and if Ubuntu was the only distro on offer
then by your reasoning I should never be using Linux. What a shame that would
be for me. Luckily there was choice for me to choose. The fact that not
everyone runs Ubuntu is testament to the fact that choice is a good thing.
What if the choice wasn't Ubuntu, but Suse? If you had only been offered Suse
and never the option of Ubuntu, you'd never have been using Linux. I think by
the same token we simply MUST give end users a choice to experiment with
which distro they like most.
> But still, I personally think the less suggestions the better - how is a
> new user going to choose between them? Could you say why Fedora is
> better/worse than Ubuntu in a non-technical manner?
Yeah I agree, and that's why I carefully selected 4 instead of 4,000 ;) People
can download the livecd of each and test it out. What doesn't work for one
person will work for another and people will settle on what they are most
> If we cannot offer solid reasoning to choose between these
> distributions, why are we trying to make a new user choose between them?
> Informed choice is great, but sometimes we need to rely on other's
> advice to get started.
I agree that people need advice and a push that's why I started the website ;)
But I cannot suggest just one distribution, they are all great in their own
way. Plus if I suggest only one distro, then what about user interface? Only
suggest GNOME? And what about every other application?..
> If we accept that we have to offer distribution choices, I would hope we
> could at least try to make sure there are not too many.
Yeah I agree, but do you think 4 is too many?
Maybe I can suggest Ubuntu or another distro if they don't know where to
start, but let them know about the others that we recommend?
Hmm.. worth a thought.
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