Killing SPAMER/lurker was Re: Fwd: [clug] Unable to write to nfs
kim.holburn at anu.edu.au
Wed Apr 19 06:52:33 GMT 2006
On 2006 Apr 19, at 10:39 AM, steve jenkin wrote:
> Could we collectively apply ourselves to solving this problem - for
> these guys and for any future spamers?
> 1. These guys have been lurking on the list for more than a year.
> 2. The list admins (thank you guys!) have mentioned this before and
> tried to solve it. My understanding is that another address
> forwards to 'petsupermarket' and it's not been located.
> 3. We have a rather large amount of 'clue' within the list - this
> problem should not be too deep for us collectively.
> I don't know:
> a) how many mail addresses are subscribed to the list [size of
about 500. As a normal member it looks to me that about 20 are
hidden. Perhaps we could start with them?
> b) the version of mailman/whatever is running the list [impediments/
> c) if there are any neat scripts to confirm mail addresses...
> [existing solutions]
Mailman has confirmation/monthly confirmation thingies built in.
> Some possible solutions:
> 0) Maybe this is a solved problem in recent versions of mailman...
> i) use a script to individually send a test message to each mail
> address. The 'from' etc lines to look like the list, but each
> subject line to be unique (the index number of the mail address in
> the mailman list?) and the message body to be something like 'test
> message to <subscribed address>.'
A special "from address" - this sounds like it would work. I think
it would be worth doing this because it seems like a spammer email
that is being read, at least when it was being set up. It may be on
other mailing lists so we might be doing many other people a favour
> ii) Take script i), add a reply-to address with an autohandler that
> collects replies.
> Add to the body to 'Please confirm your address to remain on the list'
> iii) Create a new list and ask everyone to subscribe to it by a
> given date [allowing for ppl on holidays/away].
> On D-Day:
> - send last announcement saying 'you have to resubscribe'
> - delete everyone modulo admins from the current list
> - export the subscribed people from the new list [keep this list
> somewheres, perhaps in the new/temp list]
> - import the new subscriptions to the current list
> - delete everyone from the new list.
> - Optionally, remove the new/temp list
> [If anyone ever subscribes to the new list, it's a flag that they
> are spammers]
> I don't like to ask the list admins to do extra work - it's not
> fair on them - they probably have lives offsite from their computer
> screens :-)
Apart from the hidden emails anyone on the list could do this. It
doesn't have to be the list admins. I am happy to try if someone can
send me the hidden emails. It would be better coming from
> I can't help with PERL scripting (but could cobble something
> together with shell script & "sendmail -f")
> - we have enough high quality perl mongers to provide a nice solution.
> But I am prepared to help or do the swap of mailman lists .... I'd
> need to temporarily have a list admin password.
> As an on-going admin function, how should dead addresses & spammers
> be dealt with in the future?
> A once a year clean-out & resubscribe??? [Just before Linux.Conf.AU
> may be good. Or mid-year?]
> Something else??
> Kim Holburn wrote on 19/4/06 8:06 AM:
>> Hey Guys,
>> I got this reply to my last clug post. Does this mean that
>> <petsupermarket.sspam at uol.com.br> is a memebr of the clug list?
>> Can we remove it?
> Steve Jenkin, Info Tech, Systems and Design Specialist.
> 0412 786 915 (+61 412 786 915)
> PO Box 48, Kippax ACT 2615, AUSTRALIA
> sjenkin at canb.auug.org.au http://www.tip.net.au/~sjenkin
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