[clug] sec: unclassified - Samba Team, on SCO and sweet irony

[Darren Freeman]

On Fri, 2003-08-22 at 13:45, Kim Holburn wrote:
> Thanks for that, good statment.
> 
> At 12:33 PM +1000 03/8/22, Pearl Louis wrote:
> >On Thu, 21 Aug 2003 09:47 pm, Mark Harrison wrote:
> > > On Thu, 2003-08-21 at 18:46, Pearl Louis wrote:
> 
> .....
> 
> >Without a contract between the copyright holder and a user, the user has no
> >legal right to use the program in any way, shape or form.  No contract means
> >no permission.  No permission means that you can't do anything with it. 
> 
> I have a problem with this.  Copyright gives the copyright owner control over how a work is copied - the act of copying only.  The contract is usually between the copyright holder and the copier, not the user.  Copyrights do not control the copies, only the copying.  Controlling the copies themselves is a license or contract issue.  Probably between the copier and the user.  Certainly with printed media like books - the author cannot demand people give back books they have bought (Can they? IANAL).  If a book has been copied illegally and sold can the copyright owners demand the copies back from users or is their argument with the copiers only? 

They can claim damages from the copier at least.

> Kim

Darren