Managing Expectations (was Re: Debian 3.0 CDRs)
Alfred
alfred at mazuma.net.au
Thu Aug 8 16:06:44 EST 2002
Firstly, if people are getting sick of this thread just say :)
When I tried installing debian I was running short of time and wanted a
machine that worked there and then, I didn't have the time to spend
learning the semantics of debian (config locations, apt issues, etc). I
have been using linux since I installed Slackware back in 95 off floppy
disks (urgh...) and I understand the "RTFM" and "fix it yourself"
mentality, I suffer from it also. However, when I was installing debian
I didn't have the time to indulge myself the luxury of exploring the
system, I had a deadline.
I think my problem was two fold. Firstly I had a hard time finding
details about the apt system, in particular the sources.list and what
each entry meant. Also, at the time I did the install woody didn't have
Xfree 4.0 (it was about 9months ago from memory) and so I had to use a
third party to grab the xfree 4.0 debs. That caused some pain.
I got it working after a couple hours, but I felt frustated by taking so
long to do something that was automatic with all my previous
distributions (i.e getting a current windowing system).
Its first impressions that are important, and Debian let me down in that
department. Perhaps some of the Debian team can take this to heart :)
Alex Satrapa wrote:
> On Thursday, August 8, 2002, at 02:03 , Sam Couter wrote:
>
>> Alfred <alfred at mazuma.net.au> wrote:
>>
>>> ... To get Xfree 4.0 (for GL support) and KDE 2.2 to run was a major
>>> exercise
>>
>
> The hardest part would be becoming familiar with the apt system over the
> rpm system.
>
> "Woody" contains XFree86 4.1.0 and KDE 2.2.25, your
> /etc/apt/sources.list would only need to look like:
>
> deb http://www.planetmirror.com.au/debian woody main contrib non-free
> deb http://www.planetmirror.com.au/debian-non-US woody/non-US main
> contrib non-
> free
> deb http://www.planetmirror.com.au/debian-security woody/updates main
> contrib non-free
>
> I don't see anything "hackish" about modifying a configuration file in
> such a simple manner. Except of course that it requires the use of a
> text editor and a keyboard, rather than a mouse and a pointy-clicky
> interface.
>
> Yes, the Debian installer has a long way to go in terms of configuring
> package sources. I just say "no" to all the questions about which sets
> of sources to use, then after the machine has rebooted and finished the
> install process, I edit the /etc/apt/sources.list and update/upgrade.
>
> The hardest part about moving from something else to Debian is to
> discard your expectations of how Debian is supposed to work. It doesn't
> work like RedHat, it doesn't work like Mandrake. Debian works like Debian.
>
> Alex
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