debate about Free software for the ACT Government
Doug Palmer
doug at charvolant.org
Wed Apr 24 22:01:49 EST 2002
On 2002.04.24 23:03 Alex Satrapa wrote:
> At 09:43 23/04/02 +1000, Doug Palmer wrote:
>> Benefit of being able to make proficiency in something part of the job
>> criteria.
>
> Compaq produced the A+ certification, which is a level below a MCSA (I'm
> not sure I'm usign the right words here).
I was actually thinking more on the application side. For an
archaeologist, say, having "familiar with Microsoft Office" in a set of
selection criteria doesn't sound too unreasonable. But "familiar with
OpenOffice" seems like a bit of hurdle. Being able to do this cuts down on
the amount of time and resources needed to get someone up and working.
>> Cost of Outlook viruses. :-)
>
> Easiest and cheapest way for a Microsoft shop to avoid virus infection
> is to stop using Outlook.
This is true. But, other than being one of the finest viral hosts devised
by human intelligence, Outlook is a very good program to use. I don't know
of any free software alternative that even comes close. Until someone
comes up with a decent alternative, it'll be very hard to wean people off
Outlook.
>
>> Cost of installation.
>
> 1 windows box = 8 hours. 2 windows boxen = 16 hours. It's a linear
> scale, since you have to sit in front of the box, shuffling CDs and
> clicking dialog buttons all day. God forbid you install one of the
> service packs out of order, 'cos then you have to start all over again.
>
> 1 Debian box = 30mins. 2 Debian boxen = 45 minutes. It's linear after
> that, since you still have to manually enter in stuff like disk
> partitions. Package installation could be scripted.
>
> Both these time estimates assume that you've had time to think about
> what you want to have installed, so you have a plan.
Other people have pointed out that this is just plain wrong. I'd just like
to add that, even without ghost, I've installed 4 Win2k and 4 NT servers
in half a day; it seemed pretty easy to cycle around the boxes at the time.
<Stuff that I secretly agree with, even though I'd like to see some hard
numbers.>
>> Programmer's wage rates for vertical application software.
>
> MCSE's are cheaper than Unix equivalents - Microsoft and Unisys have
> said so! (http://www.wehavethewayout.com/).
Do MCSEs learn _any_ real programming?
I was thinking more along the lines of finding people who could program
Windows UIs as opposed to (say) GNOME UIs.
>> Reliability of application software (The Linux kernel may be solid as a
>> rock, but most application software on both platforms crashes
>> distressingly often.)
>
> I don't remember the last time I had to reboot my Linux mail server due
> to a failure in Postfix, Apache, Zope, Tomcat, Netscape, Mozilla, ...
>
> My Windows desktop has to be rebooted three times a day thanks to
> Microsoft Messenger, Internet Explorer and Microsoft Word.
Umm. You appear to be comparing a server system with a desktop system
here. I'm used to Win2k servers staying up forever too. How about
comparing apples with apples?
On the desktop side, I'm _used_ to balsa, netscape, StarOffice, xcdroast
and pan -- the apps that come to mind -- bombing out on me at regular
intervals. I've even had the GIMP lock up and don't get me started about
gnumeric. And, at that point, do I really care whether the system needs to
be rebooted or a program has crashed? My work has just evaporated into a
cloud of digital butterflies both times.
(It's only fair to say that I'm not used to Office2k on Win2k bombing out.
But I hardly put it under the same sort of pressure that I put on Linux
apps.)
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Doug Palmer http://www.charvolant.org/~doug doug at charvolant.org
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