[distcc] PCH Headers and distcc (again!)
fergus at google.com
Wed Jun 11 15:45:23 GMT 2008
Still more private email copied back to the public list. This is the last
one, I promise :)
I <fergus at google.com> wrote:
> Ah, but then now you have all the complexity of include scanning, plus all
> the complexity of LD_PRELOAD.
> At this point I think this solution stops looking so elegant. Since
> include scanning alone is sufficient to give
> good performance, why add that extra complexity? Increased generality, I
> suppose, but since the performance
> is going to be poor for cases which include scanning doesn't catch, it's
> not clear that this is a significant win over
> just falling back to local compilation for those cases, and so it's not
> clear that the increased complexity is
> worthwhile. IMHO.
> The complexity of this is the main reason why I did not implement it :)
> The situation I have here (which is probably a bit uncommon) is a lot of
> clients and a few powerful servers. All clients have a local checkout of
> the code base, so the idea of caching them on the server(s) comes
> naturally. Another plus of a preload+prescan solution is that it offers
> nice support for PCHs.
> Based on your pre-scan solution (if it really catches all required
> files), a much simpler LD_PRELOAD-based solution might be possible:
> 1. Client scans all files and compiles a list, computes all file
> hashes, sends the hashes+file names to the server.
> 2. Server checks the cache and queries all missing files.
> 3. Client sends all queried files.
> 4. Server runs the compiler in a simple preload-wrapper, that simply
> serves files from the cache. If the server scans include
> directories, it will only see the files transferred by the client.
> If a file is not found in the cache, the wrapper will try to open
> the file on the server.
> Thanks for commenting my suggestion.
I then replied:
> The cacheing that you describe above is a great idea.
> But I'd rather rely on the include scanner being conservative (always
> over-approximating the set of needed files)
> than using an LD_PRELOAD to fetch missing files.
Sascha then replied:
> At that point the preload is technically no longer required. I still see
> it as an option for translating the cached files to the file names as
> seen on the client (eliminating the need to patch the debug info in the
> generated ELF files) - but that's just an alternative to creating a
> /tmp/distcc/whatever directory containing links to the cached files.
> Such a preload wrapper would be really simple.
> One question remains - how do you handle nasty things like '#include
> A possible way to handle problematic cases like this is to simply detect
> them in the pre-scan and fall back to a local preprocessor run with '-E
> -H -o /dev/null' in that case.
> My PCH patch already contains an file cache implementation for PCHs
> which could be generalized. I'll try to send the patch later today.
I then replied to the question "how do you handle nasty things like
The include scanner does a static analysis which gives a conservative
> over-approximation of the possible values that each macro can expand to.
> This is still not perfect, because the static analysis can take exponential
> time (or worse) in the worst case.
> So in cases where we detect that the static analysis is taking too long,
> the include server gives up, and the distcc client will then fall back to
> doing local preprocessing.
Fergus Henderson <fergus at google.com>
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