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Hello Jo, please review the latest copy of [MS-NRPC]. It has the updated IDL definitions as well. As of now, [MS-APDS] is still being updated. The following information should be helpful in the meantime. </div>
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MS-APDS Section 3.2.5.1 shows messagetype field should be set to 0x00000026. The actual design did not introduce such message type. We are using a new logonlevel i.e. NETLOGON_LEVEL of NetlogonTicketLogonInformation and a new validationLevel i.e. NETLOGON_VALIDATION
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<div class="elementToProof"> From MS-APDS Section 3.2.5.1, we see the NETLOGON_TICKET_LOGON_INFO is layered on top of generic pass through structure however MS-NRPC section 2.2.1.4.6 defines TicketLogon as a new NETLOGON_LEVEL struct which refers to NETLOGON_TICKET_LOGON_INFO.</div>
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<div class="elementToProof"> The NETLOGON_TICKET_LOGON_INFO message does not utilize Generic Passthrough as described in MS-APDS 3.2.5.1. Instead, you will be using
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<div class="elementToProof"> Generic Passthrough returns NETLOGON_VALIDATION_GENERIC_INFO2. But the new TicketLogon will return NETLOGON_VALIDATION_TICKET_LOGON.</div>
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You can find a list of applicable Windows OS versions that have this security update from the following link (click the $B!H(BMore$B!D!I(B link below the title)</div>
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<div>This list does not include Server 2025, but it also contains this update.</div>
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<div id="divRplyFwdMsg" dir="ltr"><span style="font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"><b>From:</b> Jo Sutton <jsutton@samba.org><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, July 16, 2024 12:33 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Sreekanth Nadendla <srenaden@microsoft.com>; cifs-protocol@lists.samba.org <cifs-protocol@lists.samba.org><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Microsoft Support <supportmail@microsoft.com><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [cifs-protocol] [EXTERNAL] Re: [MS-APDS] NETLOGON_TICKET_LOGON_INFO message - TrackingID#2405210040011397</span>
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<div style="font-size: 11pt;">For completeness$B!G(B sake, I ran the same procedure against a Windows<br>
Server 2022 host, and got exactly the same STATUS_INVALID_PARAMETER<br>
error. For MessageType I tried both 0x00000003 and 0x00000026 (and many<br>
other values, for good measure).<br>
<br>
Cheers,<br>
Jo (she/her)<br>
<br>
On 10/07/24 2:08 pm, Jo Sutton via cifs-protocol wrote:<br>
> Hi Sreekanth,<br>
><br>
> I$B!G(Bm afraid that using 0x03 for the message type still gets me<br>
> STATUS_INVALID_PARAMETER codes.<br>
><br>
> 0x03 is the message type corresponding to KERB_VERIFY_PAC_REQUEST, which<br>
> is used for the older method of PAC verification. But the message I$B!G(Bm<br>
> attempting to send is NETLOGON_TICKET_LOGON_INFO ([MS-APDS] 2.2.2.1),<br>
> which includes the entire Kerberos ticket and is used in the newer<br>
> method of PAC verification.<br>
><br>
> What do I need to do to get Windows Server 2019 to accept a<br>
> NETLOGON_TICKET_LOGON_INFO message? I don$B!G(Bt see any information<br>
> indicating that Windows Server 2019 doesn$B!G(Bt support such messages.<br>
><br>
> Cheers,<br>
> Jo (she/her)<br>
><br>
> On 10/07/24 7:12 am, Sreekanth Nadendla wrote:<br>
>> Hello Jo, can you change the message type from 0x00000026 ( byte<br>
>> sequence seen as 26 00 00 00 below) to 0x00000003 (to indicate<br>
>> message type of KerbVerifyPacMessage) and try this again ?<br>
>><br>
>> 0:002> db ProtocolSubmitBuffer L0x5e0<br>
>><br>
>> 00000218`69819c80 26 00 00 00 00 00 11 00-21 00 31 00 c0 05 00 00<br>
>> &.......!.1.....<br>
>> 00000218`69819c90 00 00 02 00 00 00 00 00-00 00 00 00 c0 05 00 00<br>
>> ................<br>
>> 00000218`69819ca0 61 82 05 bc 30 82 05 b8-a0 03 02 01 05 a1 0d 1b<br>
>> a...0...........<br>
>> .. ..... .. ..... .. .....<br>
>> .. ..... .. ..... .. .....<br>
>> .. ..... .. ..... .. .....<br>
>> 00000218`6981a250 85 1d 35 87 38 7d b1 5b-52 c0 c3 e4 30 c8 77 7d<br>
>> ..5.8}.[R...0.w}<br>
>><br>
>> Regards,<br>
>><br>
>> Sreekanth Nadendla<br>
>><br>
>> Microsoft Windows Open Specifications<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------<br>
>> *From:* Jo Sutton <jsutton@samba.org><br>
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, July 2, 2024 6:23 PM<br>
>> *To:* Sreekanth Nadendla <srenaden@microsoft.com>;<br>
>> cifs-protocol@lists.samba.org <cifs-protocol@lists.samba.org><br>
>> *Cc:* Microsoft Support <supportmail@microsoft.com><br>
>> *Subject:* [EXTERNAL] Re: [cifs-protocol] [MS-APDS]<br>
>> NETLOGON_TICKET_LOGON_INFO message - TrackingID#2405210040011397<br>
>> Thank you, Sreekanth. I$B!G(Bve uploaded a trace and network capture of a<br>
>> call to NetrLogonSamLogonEx() attempting to validate a service ticket.<br>
>><br>
>> Cheers,<br>
>> Jo (she/her)<br>
>><br>
>> On 3/07/24 2:02 am, Sreekanth Nadendla wrote:<br>
>> > Hello Jo, you may have gotten an invitation to upload files by now.<br>
>> > Please check your e-mail folders and let me know otherwise.<br>
>> ><br>
>> > Regards,<br>
>> ><br>
>> > Sreekanth Nadendla<br>
>> ><br>
>> > Microsoft Windows Open Specifications<br>
>> ><br>
>> ><br>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------<br>
>> > *From:* Jo Sutton <jsutton@samba.org><br>
>> > *Sent:* Monday, July 1, 2024 10:01 PM<br>
>> > *To:* Sreekanth Nadendla <srenaden@microsoft.com>;<br>
>> > cifs-protocol@lists.samba.org <cifs-protocol@lists.samba.org><br>
>> > *Cc:* Microsoft Support <supportmail@microsoft.com><br>
>> > *Subject:* [EXTERNAL] Re: [cifs-protocol] [MS-APDS]<br>
>> > NETLOGON_TICKET_LOGON_INFO message - TrackingID#2405210040011397<br>
>> > On second thoughts, I$B!G(Bd rather not send traces via unencrypted email.<br>
>> > Can you provide somewhere for me to upload them?<br>
>> ><br>
>> > Cheers,<br>
>> > Jo (she/her)<br>
>> ><br>
>> > On 2/07/24 1:57 pm, Jo Sutton via cifs-protocol wrote:<br>
>> >> [moving back to cifs-protocol]<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> Hi Sreekanth,<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> Call me Jo :)<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> As I can$B!G(Bt seem to upload the traces via the link you sent me,<br>
>> I$B!G(Bll try<br>
>> >> to email them to you directly.<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> The reason for asking about NETLOGON_TICKET_LOGON_INFO is that we$B!G(Bre<br>
>> >> looking to address<br>
>> <a href="https://bugzilla.samba.org/show_bug.cgi?id=15249" id="OWA55189aec-ce65-d7ac-c999-609ee7f99c4f" class="OWAAutoLink" data-auth="NotApplicable">
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>> >><br>
>> >> Cheers,<br>
>> >> Jo (she/her)<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> On 14/06/24 3:39 am, Sreekanth Nadendla wrote:<br>
>> >>> Hello Joseph, I've sent you instructions to download time travel<br>
>> trace<br>
>> >>> tool to collect traces for lass process earlier. But we were<br>
>> informed<br>
>> >>> by Andrew Bartlet that the reason why you've raised the login issue<br>
>> >>> with [MS-APDS] NETLOGON_TICKET_LOGON_INFO is that you are looking to<br>
>> >>> resolve a privilege escalation problem via enforcement of PAC<br>
>> >>> verification. I could not see how these two issues are connected<br>
>> >>> hence I'm unable to continue the investigation on my own (while you<br>
>> >>> are away dealing with a personal issue).<br>
>> >>> Please let us know whenever you are ready and we will gather the<br>
>> >>> details, data to investigate the issue you are experiencing.<br>
>> >>><br>
>> >>> Regards,<br>
>> >>><br>
>> >>> Sreekanth Nadendla<br>
>> >>><br>
>> >>> Microsoft Windows Open Specifications<br>
>> >>><br>
>> >>><br>
>> >>><br>
>> >>><br>
>> >>><br>
>> >>><br>
>> >>> From: Jo Sutton <jsutton@samba.org><br>
>> >>><br>
>> >>> Sent: Monday, May 20, 2024 9:49 PM<br>
>> >>> To: cifs-protocol@lists.samba.org <cifs-protocol@lists.samba.org>;<br>
>> >>> Interoperability Documentation Help <dochelp@microsoft.com><br>
>> >>> Subject: [EXTERNAL] [MS-APDS] NETLOGON_TICKET_LOGON_INFO message<br>
>> >>> [Some people who received this message don't often get email from<br>
>> >>> jsutton@samba.org. Learn why this is important at<br>
>> >>> <a href="https://aka.ms/LearnAboutSenderIdentification" id="OWA701ad00d-70ff-ef71-3741-eff0a1df87c6" class="OWAAutoLink" data-auth="NotApplicable">
https://aka.ms/LearnAboutSenderIdentification</a><br>
>> <<a href="https://aka.ms/LearnAboutSenderIdentification" id="OWAd76ebada-175f-23af-edae-11cc58296c43" class="OWAAutoLink" data-auth="NotApplicable">https://aka.ms/LearnAboutSenderIdentification</a>><br>
>> > <https://aka.ms/LearnAboutSenderIdentification<br>
>> <<a href="https://aka.ms/LearnAboutSenderIdentification" id="OWAa7141e8c-b43c-f031-48bb-13d705c45ce7" class="OWAAutoLink" data-auth="NotApplicable">https://aka.ms/LearnAboutSenderIdentification</a>>> ]<br>
>> >>><br>
>> >>> Hi dochelp,<br>
>> >>><br>
>> >>> I$B!G(Bm trying to follow [MS-APDS] 2.2.2.1, $B!H(BNETLOGON_TICKET_LOGON_INFO<br>
>> >>> Message$B!I(B, in order to create a NETLOGON_TICKET_LOGON_INFO message<br>
>> that<br>
>> >>> will be accepted by Windows Server 2019. However, in my attempts<br>
>> so far,<br>
>> >>> all I$B!G(Bve got is STATUS_INVALID_PARAMETER codes from<br>
>> NetrLogonSamLogonEx.<br>
>> >>><br>
>> >>> Although [MS-APDS] doesn$B!G(Bt mention it, I assume<br>
>> >>> NETLOGON_TICKET_LOGON_INFO should contain an unsigned 32$B!>(Bbit<br>
>> MessageType<br>
>> >>> field, set to 0x00000026, that indicates the message is a<br>
>> >>> NETLOGON_TICKET_LOGON_INFO message. Other than that, I$B!G(Bm not sure<br>
>> what<br>
>> >>> I$B!G(Bm doing wrong. Are the ticket fields arrays, are depicted in the<br>
>> >>> diagram, or pointers, as claimed in the documentation?<br>
>> >>><br>
>> >>> I can provide traces showing the problem if you would like.<br>
>> >>><br>
>> >>> Cheers,<br>
>> >>> Jo (she/her)<br>
>> >><br>
>> >><br>
>> >> _______________________________________________<br>
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