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<div class="elementToProof"><span style="font-family: Calibri, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">With regard to the question you posed a couple months back about cond-expr in the ABNF
in [MS-DTYP] 2.5.1.1, we had to be more elaborate with the document change to account for precedence. Please let me know if you have any concerns about this change:</span></div>
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<div class="ContentPasted0">cond-expr = term / term [wspace] ("||" / "&&" ) [wspace] cond-expr / (["!"] [wspace] "(" cond-expr ")")</div>
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<div class="ContentPasted0">Changed to:</div>
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<div class="ContentPasted0">; multiple rules for cond-expr to represent different precedence of || and &&</div>
<div class="ContentPasted0">; super-term and factor are intermediate rules and used only in this part of the grammar</div>
<div class="ContentPasted0">cond-expr = expr</div>
<div class="ContentPasted0">expr = super-term [wspace] *( "||" [wspace] super-term )</div>
<div class="ContentPasted0">super-term = factor [wspace] *( "&&" [wspace] factor )</div>
<div class="ContentPasted0">factor = ["!"] [wspace] "(" [wspace] factor [wspace] ")"</div>
<div class="ContentPasted0">factor = term</div>
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<div id="divRplyFwdMsg" dir="ltr"><font face="Calibri, sans-serif" style="font-size:11pt" color="#000000"><b>From:</b> Douglas Bagnall <douglas.bagnall@catalyst.net.nz><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, February 3, 2023 4:30 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Kristian Smith <Kristian.Smith@microsoft.com>; cifs-protocol@lists.samba.org <cifs-protocol@lists.samba.org><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Microsoft Support <supportmail@microsoft.com><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [EXTERNAL] [MS-DTYP] 2.5.1.1 another SDDL syntax ABNF inaccuracy - TrackingID#2302020040006024</font>
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<div class="PlainText">hi Kristian,<br>
<br>
I don't actually think I have a question about the parentheses any more.<br>
<br>
It was just that the SDDL is parenthesis-heavy by convention, and I assumed they <br>
might be required more than is implied by that ABNF. However "2.5.1.3 <br>
Parentheses and Order of Precedence" says they are not. Examples 2 and 3 have <br>
more parentheses than necessary, but that is not a bad thing.<br>
<br>
Thanks for the doc change.<br>
<br>
Douglas<br>
<br>
<br>
On 4/02/23 11:22, Kristian Smith wrote:<br>
> Hi Douglas,<br>
> <br>
> With regards to the “term” actually being a “cond-expr”, you are correct. I will
<br>
> submit a document change, and you’ll see it propagate in a future release.<br>
> <br>
> As far as the parentheses are concerned, are you curious why the they are <br>
> required at the end at the end but nowhere else? Just hoping to confirm the <br>
> question.<br>
> <br>
> cond-expr = term /<br>
> cond-expr [wspace] ("||" / "&&" ) [wspace] cond-expr /<br>
> (["!"] [wspace] *"(" cond-expr ")"*)<br>
> <br>
> Regards,<br>
> <br>
> Kristian<br>
> <br>
> Kristian Smith<br>
> <br>
> Support Escalation Engineer<br>
> <br>
> Windows Open Spec Protocols<br>
> <br>
> Office: (425) 421-4442<br>
> <br>
> kristian.smith@microsoft.com <<a href="mailto:kristian.smith@microsoft.com">mailto:kristian.smith@microsoft.com</a>><br>
> <br>
> *From:* Kristian Smith<br>
> *Sent:* Thursday, February 2, 2023 9:58 AM<br>
> *To:* Douglas Bagnall <douglas.bagnall@catalyst.net.nz>; <br>
> cifs-protocol@lists.samba.org<br>
> *Cc:* Microsoft Support <supportmail@microsoft.com><br>
> *Subject:* RE: [EXTERNAL] [MS-DTYP] 2.5.1.1 another SDDL syntax ABNF inaccuracy
<br>
> - TrackingID#2302020040006024<br>
> <br>
> [Jeff to Bcc]<br>
> <br>
> Hi Douglas,<br>
> <br>
> Thanks for reaching out. I’ll be looking into this ABNF issue you’ve presented.
<br>
> I’ll get back to you once I have more information.<br>
> <br>
> Thanks,<br>
> <br>
> Kristian<br>
> <br>
> Kristian Smith<br>
> <br>
> Support Escalation Engineer<br>
> <br>
> Windows Open Spec Protocols<br>
> <br>
> Office: (425) 421-4442<br>
> <br>
> kristian.smith@microsoft.com <<a href="mailto:kristian.smith@microsoft.com">mailto:kristian.smith@microsoft.com</a>><br>
> <br>
> *From:* Jeff McCashland (He/him) <jeffm@microsoft.com <<a href="mailto:jeffm@microsoft.com">mailto:jeffm@microsoft.com</a>>><br>
> *Sent:* Thursday, February 2, 2023 7:32 AM<br>
> *To:* Douglas Bagnall <douglas.bagnall@catalyst.net.nz <br>
> <<a href="mailto:douglas.bagnall@catalyst.net.nz">mailto:douglas.bagnall@catalyst.net.nz</a>>>; cifs-protocol@lists.samba.org
<br>
> <<a href="mailto:cifs-protocol@lists.samba.org">mailto:cifs-protocol@lists.samba.org</a>><br>
> *Cc:* Microsoft Support <supportmail@microsoft.com <br>
> <<a href="mailto:supportmail@microsoft.com">mailto:supportmail@microsoft.com</a>>><br>
> *Subject:* Re: [EXTERNAL] [MS-DTYP] 2.5.1.1 another SDDL syntax ABNF inaccuracy
<br>
> - TrackingID#2302020040006024<br>
> <br>
> [DocHelp to BCC, support on CC, SR ID on Subject]<br>
> <br>
> Hi Douglas,<br>
> <br>
> Thanks for your question. One of the Open Specifications team members will <br>
> respond to assist you. In the meantime, we’ve created case 2302020040006024 to <br>
> track this request. Please leave the case number in the subject when <br>
> communicating with our team about this request.<br>
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> Best regards,*<br>
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> *From:*Douglas Bagnall <douglas.bagnall@catalyst.net.nz <br>
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> *Subject:* [EXTERNAL] [MS-DTYP] 2.5.1.1 another SDDL syntax ABNF inaccuracy<br>
> <br>
> hi Dochelp,<br>
> <br>
> I think this bit is wrong in the SDDL ABNF. We have (with irrelevant bits<br>
> omitted):<br>
> <br>
> conditional-ace = ... ";" "(" cond-expr ")" ")"<br>
> <br>
> cond-expr = term /<br>
> term [wspace] ("||" / "&&" ) [wspace] cond-expr /<br>
> (["!"] [wspace] "(" cond-expr ")")<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> which says a conditional expression compounded with '&&' or '||' can only<br>
> have a simple term on the left hand side. That doesn't seem right, nor is<br>
> it in keeping with the text.<br>
> <br>
> Not least of all, examples 2 and 3 in 2.4.4.17.9 have compound expressions<br>
> on either side of a central operator, like so:<br>
> <br>
> (@User.smartcard==1 || @Device.managed==1) && (@Resource.dept<br>
> Any_of{"Sales","HR"})<br>
> <br>
> My belief is the example is correct and the ABNF is wrong. It should<br>
> probably say something more like this:<br>
> <br>
> cond-expr = term /<br>
> cond-expr [wspace] ("||" / "&&" ) [wspace] cond-expr /<br>
> (["!"] [wspace] "(" cond-expr ")")<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> though that doesn't explain when you need parentheses and when you don't.<br>
> <br>
> Douglas<br>
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