[cifs-protocol] [EXTERNAL] [MS-LSAD] Need help with LsarCreateTrustedDomainEx3 - TrackingID#2312050040012372
Andreas Schneider
asn at samba.org
Thu Dec 14 12:05:09 UTC 2023
On Thursday, 14 December 2023 07:28:46 CET Andreas Schneider wrote:
> On Wednesday, 13 December 2023 22:55:54 CET Andreas Schneider via cifs-
>
> protocol wrote:
> > On Wednesday, 13 December 2023 18:45:25 CET Jeff McCashland (He/him)
wrote:
> > > Hi Andreas,
> >
> > Hi Jeff,
> >
> > > I found that the cause of the INVALID_PARAMETER error is that cbCipher
> > > is
> > > too small in the PLSAPR_TRUSTED_DOMAIN_AUTH_INFORMATION_INTERNAL_AES
> > > structure included in the request.
> > >
> > > The value sent is 0xD0 (208), while we were expecting at least 520
> > > (0x208).
> > > Is there some significance that the correct hex value matches the passed
> > > decimal value?
> >
> > thank you very much for taking a look.
> >
> > I think the value is more a coincidence. It is strange that you expect at
> > least 520 bytes in size. This is either because of some password length
> > requirement or you need to use a buffers for passwords and fill it up with
> > random data if too short, like we have for the *Buffer* in [MS-SAMR]
> > 2.2.6.32. That's done in MS-SAMR to avoid guessing the password length.
> >
> > I can test if using longer passwords fixes the issue.
>
> We use passwords which are ~15 chars long. Using longer password doesn't fix
> the problem.
>
> Our testsuite has one function to test LsarCreateTrustedDomainEx2 and
> LsarCreateTrustedDomainEx3. The values we use are essentially the same.
> There are just differences in one char and the function using different
> structures.
>
> LsarCreateTrustedDomainEx2 succeeds with those values and
> LsarCreateTrustedDomainEx3 fails. I would argue that
> LsarCreateTrustedDomainEx3 expects something which is not documented.
>
> Why does LsarCreateTrustedDomainEx3 expect at least 520 bytes for the
> cbCipher value?
Here is a guess:
> Best regards
>
>
> Andreas
>
> > > Please let me know if this doesn't fully answer your question.
> >
> > Now the question is why does the cipher need to be bigger than 520 bytes?
> > I
> > don't see anything in the documentation about it. There is just an upper
> > limit in the docs:
> >
> > #define MAX_AUTHBLOB_SIZE ( 64 * 1024 )
> >
> >
> > Best regards
> >
> > Andreas
> >
> > > Best regards,
> > > Jeff McCashland (He/him) | Senior Escalation Engineer | Microsoft
> > > Protocol
> > > Open Specifications Team Phone: +1 (425) 703-8300 x38300 | Hours:
> > > 9am-5pm
> > >
> > > Time zone: (UTC-08:00) Pacific Time (US and Canada) Local country phone
> > > number found here: http://support.microsoft.com/globalenglish |
> > > Extension
> > > 1138300
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Jeff McCashland (He/him)
> > > Sent: Monday, December 11, 2023 9:28 AM
> > > To: Andreas Schneider <asn at samba.org>
> > > Cc: Microsoft Support <supportmail at microsoft.com>; cifs-protocol
> > > <cifs-protocol at lists.samba.org> Subject: RE: [EXTERNAL] [MS-LSAD] Need
> > > help
> > > with LsarCreateTrustedDomainEx3 - TrackingID#2312050040012372
> > >
> > > Hi Andrew,
> > >
> > > Thank you for the information. I will let you know what I find.
> > >
> > > Best regards,
> > > Jeff McCashland (He/him) | Senior Escalation Engineer | Microsoft
> > > Protocol
> > > Open Specifications Team Phone: +1 (425) 703-8300 x38300 | Hours:
> > > 9am-5pm
> > >
> > > Time zone: (UTC-08:00) Pacific Time (US and Canada) Local country phone
> > > number found here: http://support.microsoft.com/globalenglish |
> > > Extension
> > > 1138300
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Andreas Schneider <asn at samba.org>
> > > Sent: Monday, December 11, 2023 6:23 AM
> > > To: Jeff McCashland (He/him) <jeffm at microsoft.com>
> > > Cc: Microsoft Support <supportmail at microsoft.com>; cifs-protocol
> > > <cifs-protocol at lists.samba.org> Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] [MS-LSAD] Need
> > > help
> > > with LsarCreateTrustedDomainEx3 - TrackingID#2312050040012372
> > >
> > > On Thursday, 7 December 2023 20:43:05 CET Jeff McCashland (He/him)
wrote:
> > > > Hi Andreas,
> > >
> > > Hi Jeff,
> > >
> > > > I was not able to find an INVALID_PARAMETER failure in the provided
> > > > network trace. Is this the network trace that was collected at the
> > > > same time as the TTT trace?
> > >
> > > I've compiled wireshark from the git master branch. This has support for
> > > decoding the new lsa calls correctly. I opened the wireshark trace I
> > > sent
> > > you with it and the first LsarCreateTrustedDomainEx3 request is frame
> > > 76.
> > > Frame 77 is the corresponding response which returns INVALID_PARAMETER
> > > (screenshot attached).
> > >
> > > I hope that helps. Thanks for your help.
> > >
> > >
> > > Best regards
> > >
> > > Andreas
> > > >
> > > > I see the INVALID_PARAMETER error in your smbtorture logs, but I don't
> > > > know which packet in the network trace that relates to.
> > > >
> > > > Could you clarify?
> > > >
> > > > Best regards,
> > > > Jeff McCashland (He/him) | Senior Escalation Engineer | Microsoft
> > > > Protocol Open Specifications Team Phone: +1 (425) 703-8300 x38300 |
> > > > Hours: 9am-5pm | Time zone: (UTC-08:00) Pacific Time (US and Canada)
> > > > Local country phone number found here:
> > > > http://suppo/
> > > > rt.microsoft.com%2Fglobalenglish&data=05%7C02%7Cjeffm%40microsoft.com%
> > > > 7C57e7e1341d7243e6808108dbfa54bc29%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%
> > > > 7C1%7C0%7C638379014130155860%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwM
> > > > DAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdat
> > > > a=QJVmNP2krXHQDVe%2B1OQnuwGDsK2yfgH6hyezrqzjaQY%3D&reserved=0 |
> > > > Extension
> > > > 1138300
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Jeff McCashland (He/him)
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, December 6, 2023 7:53 AM
> > > > To: Andreas Schneider <asn at samba.org>
> > > > Cc: Microsoft Support <supportmail at microsoft.com>; cifs-protocol
> > > > <cifs-protocol at lists.samba.org> Subject: RE: [EXTERNAL] [MS-LSAD] Need
> > > > help with LsarCreateTrustedDomainEx3 - TrackingID#2312050040012372
> > > >
> > > > Hi Andreas,
> > > >
> > > > Hopefully the LSASS TTT will tell us which parameter it is. I will let
> > > > you know.
> > > >
> > > > Best regards,
> > > > Jeff McCashland (He/him) | Senior Escalation Engineer | Microsoft
> > > > Protocol Open Specifications Team Phone: +1 (425) 703-8300 x38300 |
> > > > Hours: 9am-5pm | Time zone: (UTC-08:00) Pacific Time (US and Canada)
> > > > Local country phone number found here:
> > > > http://suppo/
> > > > rt.microsoft.com%2Fglobalenglish&data=05%7C02%7Cjeffm%40microsoft.com%
> > > > 7C57e7e1341d7243e6808108dbfa54bc29%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%
> > > > 7C1%7C0%7C638379014130166111%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwM
> > > > DAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdat
> > > > a=YozjfDZHR1hYS4F9VW4bWyBSwETo0h5MzsNIKienQP4%3D&reserved=0 |
> > > > Extension
> > > > 1138300
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Andreas Schneider <asn at samba.org>
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, December 6, 2023 1:41 AM
> > > > To: Jeff McCashland (He/him) <jeffm at microsoft.com>
> > > > Cc: Microsoft Support <supportmail at microsoft.com>; cifs-protocol
> > > > <cifs-protocol at lists.samba.org> Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] [MS-LSAD] Need
> > > > help with LsarCreateTrustedDomainEx3 - TrackingID#2312050040012372 On
> > > >
> > > > Tuesday, 5 December 2023 23:40:12 CET Jeff McCashland (He/him) wrote:
> > > > > Hi Andreas,
> > > >
> > > > Hi Jeff,
> > > >
> > > > > I would like to collect LSASS TTT traces to troubleshoot the
> > > > > failure.
> > > >
> > > > Thank you very much for your help!
> > > >
> > > > I've uploaded lsass03.zip to the workspace. It includes the TimeTrace,
> > > > the network trace and smbtorture debug log.
> > > >
> > > > Günther just added support for LsarCreateTrustedDomainEx3 to Wireshark
> > > > two weeks ago [1]. I don't think the code is in a release yet. You
> > > > wont see the calls nicely unmarshalled yet. However I attached
> > > > smbtorture debug log. You can see the NDR printout there.
> > > >
> > > > The question is which input paramter LsarCreateTrustedDomainEx3 thinks
> > > > is invalid. Once I know that, I can fix hopefully the test :-)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Thank you very much for your assistance! This is much appreciated.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Best regards
> > > >
> > > > Andreas
> > > >
> > > > [1]
> > > > https://gitl/
> > > > ab.com%2Fwireshark%2Fwireshark%2F-%2Fmerge_requests%2F13370&data=05%7C
> > > > 02%7Cjeffm%40microsoft.com%7C57e7e1341d7243e6808108dbfa54bc29%7C72f988
> > > > bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C638379014130172902%7CUnknown%7CTW
> > > > FpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6
> > > > Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=8V1KVQz858RkWskCVF8lfnHCfaVT35PmtTZXNoTOd
> > > > Ds%3D&reserved=0
> > > >
> > > > > The LSASS traces can be quite large, but are highly compressible, so
> > > > > please add them to a .zip archive before uploading (file transfer
> > > > > workspace credentials are below). Please log into the workspace and
> > > > > find PartnerTTDRecorder_x86_x64.zip available for download. The x64
> > > > > tool can be staged onto the Windows server in any location
> > > > > (instructions below assume C:\TTD).
> > > > >
> > > > > To collect the needed traces:
> > > > > 1. From a PowerShell prompt, execute:
> > > > > C:\TTD\tttracer.exe -Attach ([int](Get-Process -NAME
> > > > >
> > > > > lsass | Format-Wide -Property
> > > > > ID).formatEntryInfo.formatPropertyField.propertyValue) 2. Wait for a
> > > > > little window to pop up in top left corner of your screen, titled
> > > > > "lsass01.run" 3. start a network trace using netsh or WireShark,
> > > > > etc.
> > > > >
> > > > > 4. Repro the attempted operation
> > > > > 5. Stop the network trace and save it
> > > > > 6. CAREFULLY: uncheck the checkbox next to "Tracing" in the
> > > > >
> > > > > small "lsass01.run" window. Do not close or exit the small window or
> > > > > you will need to reboot. 7. The TTTracer.exe process will generate a
> > > > > trace file, then print out the name and location of the file.
> > > > > Compress the *.run file into a .zip archive before uploading with
> > > > > the matching network trace. It is a good idea to reboot the machine
> > > > > at the next opportunity to restart the lsass process.
> > > > >
> > > > > Workspace credentials:
> > > > > Log in as: 2312050040012372_andreas at dtmxfer.onmicrosoft.com
> > > > > 1-Time: 3fjE7C5Q
> > > > >
> > > > > Workspace link:
> > > > > https://supp/
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> > > > >
> > > > > Best regards,
> > > > > Jeff McCashland (He/him) | Senior Escalation Engineer | Microsoft
> > > > > Protocol Open Specifications Team Phone: +1 (425) 703-8300 x38300 |
> > > > > Hours: 9am-5pm | Time zone: (UTC-08:00) Pacific Time (US and Canada)
> > > > > Local country phone number found here:
> > > > > http://suppo/
> > > > > rt.microsoft.com%2Fglobalenglish&data=05%7C02%7Cjeffm%40microsoft.co
> > > > > m%
> > > > > 7C54e1a37f1c1443631fff08dbf63f700f%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db4
> > > > > 7%
> > > > > 7C1%7C0%7C638374524565858700%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjA
> > > > > wM
> > > > > DAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sd
> > > > > at
> > > > > a=EQOmU95wBWcFuv2c56sDxW8YHrBn2%2FCnX34U4igxtow%3D&reserved=0 |
> > > > > Extension
> > > > > 1138300
> > > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: Jeff McCashland (He/him)
> > > > > Sent: Tuesday, December 5, 2023 11:50 AM
> > > > > To: Andreas Schneider <asn at samba.org>; cifs-protocol
> > > > > <cifs-protocol at lists.samba.org> Cc: Microsoft Support
> > > > > <supportmail at microsoft.com>
> > > > > Subject: RE: [EXTERNAL] [MS-LSAD] Need help with
> > > > > LsarCreateTrustedDomainEx3
> > > > > - TrackingID#2312050040012372
> > > > >
> > > > > [Michael to BCC]
> > > > >
> > > > > Hi Andreas,
> > > > >
> > > > > I will dig into your question and let you know what I find.
> > > > >
> > > > > Best regards,
> > > > > Jeff McCashland (He/him) | Senior Escalation Engineer | Microsoft
> > > > > Protocol Open Specifications Team Phone: +1 (425) 703-8300 x38300 |
> > > > > Hours: 9am-5pm | Time zone: (UTC-08:00) Pacific Time (US and Canada)
> > > > > Local country phone number found here:
> > > > > http://suppo/
> > > > > rt.microsoft.com%2Fglobalenglish&data=05%7C02%7Cjeffm%40microsoft.co
> > > > > m%
> > > > > 7C54e1a37f1c1443631fff08dbf63f700f%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db4
> > > > > 7%
> > > > > 7C1%7C0%7C638374524565862806%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjA
> > > > > wM
> > > > > DAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sd
> > > > > at
> > > > > a=X2E1OH%2FlPSBqIUii84PAHkxyXw5B5GNlk22G5AzwWk4%3D&reserved=0 |
> > > > > Extension
> > > > > 1138300
> > > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: Michael Bowen <Mike.Bowen at microsoft.com>
> > > > > Sent: Tuesday, December 5, 2023 11:25 AM
> > > > > To: Andreas Schneider <asn at samba.org>; cifs-protocol
> > > > > <cifs-protocol at lists.samba.org> Cc: Microsoft Support
> > > > > <supportmail at microsoft.com>
> > > > > Subject: RE: [EXTERNAL] [MS-LSAD] Need help with
> > > > > LsarCreateTrustedDomainEx3
> > > > > - TrackingID#2312050040012372
> > > > >
> > > > > [DocHelp to BCC]
> > > > > Hi Andreas,
> > > > >
> > > > > Thank you for your question about MS-LSAD. Case number
> > > > > 2312050040012372 has been created to track this issue, one of our
> > > > > engineers will contact you soon.
> > > > >
> > > > > Best regards,
> > > > > Mike Bowen
> > > > > Escalation Engineer - Microsoft Open Specifications
> > > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: Andreas Schneider <asn at samba.org>
> > > > > Sent: Tuesday, December 5, 2023 5:34 AM
> > > > > To: Interoperability Documentation Help <dochelp at microsoft.com>;
> > > > > cifs-protocol <cifs-protocol at lists.samba.org> Subject: [EXTERNAL]
> > > > > [MS-LSAD] Need help with LsarCreateTrustedDomainEx3
> > > > >
> > > > > Hi Dochelp Team!
> > > > >
> > > > > I'm currently trying to write an smbtorture test for
> > > > > LsarCreateTrustedDomainEx3. My test doesn't work against Windows
> > > > > Server 2022.
> > > > >
> > > > > lsa_CreateTrustedDomainEx3: struct lsa_CreateTrustedDomainEx3
> > > > >
> > > > > out: struct lsa_CreateTrustedDomainEx3
> > > > >
> > > > > trustdom_handle : *
> > > > >
> > > > > trustdom_handle: struct policy_handle
> > > > >
> > > > > handle_type : 0x00000000 (0)
> > > > >
> > > > > uuid :
> > > > > 00000000-0000-0000-0000-000000000000
> > > > >
> > > > > result : NT_STATUS_INVALID_PARAMETER
> > > > >
> > > > > The test is more or less the same as we have for
> > > > > LsarCreateTrustedDomainEx2, but it fails for
> > > > > LsarCreateTrustedDomainEx3 with NT_STATUS_INVALID_PARAMETER. Another
> > > > > Samba Team member did check the code I wrote and could find anything
> > > > > wrong.
> > > > >
> > > > > I've tried to turn on debug logging for the netlogon service on
> > > > > windows, but it doesn't log anything useful. So I'm not able to
> > > > > figure out what value the server thinks is invalid.
> > > > >
> > > > > Could someone of the Dochelp Team help me if I create a Time Trace
> > > > > and figure out on which input value the server chokes?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks for your help.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Best regards
> > > > >
> > > > > Andreas Schneider
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > Andreas Schneider asn at samba.org
> > > > > Samba Team http://www.samba.org/
> > > > > GPG-ID: 8DFF53E18F2ABC8D8F3C92237EE0FC4DCC014E3D
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Andreas Schneider asn at samba.org
> > > > Samba Team http://www.samba.org/
> > > > GPG-ID: 8DFF53E18F2ABC8D8F3C92237EE0FC4DCC014E3D
> > >
> > > --
> > > Andreas Schneider asn at samba.org
> > > Samba Team http://www.samba.org/
> > > GPG-ID: 8DFF53E18F2ABC8D8F3C92237EE0FC4DCC014E3D
--
Andreas Schneider asn at samba.org
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