[Samba] AD DC eventually not browsable without restart

Ricky Nance ricky.nance at gmail.com
Fri Sep 6 12:03:53 MDT 2013


What about log.smbd ... also what does samba-tool processes output?

Ricky


On Fri, Sep 6, 2013 at 12:57 PM, Kevin Field <kev at brantaero.com> wrote:

> (Just for the record, I haven't restarted samba in a couple weeks now.)
>
> That's very interesting: via the IP, it is browsable.
>
> As for the outputs:
>
> $ sudo netstat -anp | grep "samba\|smb"
> tcp        0      0 0.0.0.0:139                 0.0.0.0:*     LISTEN
>  5714/samba
> tcp        0      0 0.0.0.0:464                 0.0.0.0:*     LISTEN
>  19028/samba
> tcp        0      0 0.0.0.0:53                  0.0.0.0:*     LISTEN
>  19035/samba
> tcp        0      0 0.0.0.0:88                  0.0.0.0:*     LISTEN
>  19028/samba
> tcp        0      0 0.0.0.0:636                 0.0.0.0:*     LISTEN
>  19026/samba
> tcp        0      0 0.0.0.0:445                 0.0.0.0:*     LISTEN
>  19034/samba
> tcp        0      0 0.0.0.0:1024                0.0.0.0:*     LISTEN
>  19023/samba
> tcp        0      0 0.0.0.0:3268                0.0.0.0:*     LISTEN
>  19026/samba
> tcp        0      0 0.0.0.0:3269                0.0.0.0:*     LISTEN
>  19026/samba
> tcp        0      0 0.0.0.0:389                 0.0.0.0:*     LISTEN
>  19026/samba
> tcp        0      0 0.0.0.0:135                 0.0.0.0:*     LISTEN
>  19023/samba
> tcp        0      0 10.0.1.2:445                10.0.1.1:1777
> ESTABLISHED 19044/samba
> tcp        0      0 10.0.1.2:1024               10.0.1.1:3024
> ESTABLISHED 19023/samba
> tcp        0      0 10.0.1.2:445                10.0.1.1:2130
> ESTABLISHED 5714/samba
> tcp        0      0 10.0.1.2:58561              10.0.1.1:1025
> ESTABLISHED 19029/samba
> udp        0      0 10.0.1.2:389                0.0.0.0:*
> 19027/samba
> udp        0      0 0.0.0.0:389                 0.0.0.0:*
> 19027/samba
> udp        0      0 10.0.1.2:137                0.0.0.0:*
> 19024/samba
> udp        0      0 10.255.255.255:137          0.0.0.0:*
> 19024/samba
> udp        0      0 0.0.0.0:137                 0.0.0.0:*
> 19024/samba
> udp        0      0 10.0.1.2:138                0.0.0.0:*
> 19024/samba
> udp        0      0 10.255.255.255:138          0.0.0.0:*
> 19024/samba
> udp        0      0 0.0.0.0:138                 0.0.0.0:*
> 19024/samba
> udp        0      0 0.0.0.0:53                  0.0.0.0:*
> 19035/samba
> udp        0      0 10.0.1.2:464                0.0.0.0:*
> 19028/samba
> udp        0      0 0.0.0.0:464                 0.0.0.0:*
> 19028/samba
> udp        0      0 10.0.1.2:88                 0.0.0.0:*
> 19028/samba
> udp        0      0 0.0.0.0:88                  0.0.0.0:*
> 19028/samba
> unix  2      [ ]         DGRAM                    1900834 5714/samba
>   /var/lib/samba/private/smbd.**tmp/msg/msg.5714
> unix  2      [ ACC ]     STREAM     LISTENING     413329 19023/samba
>  /var/run/samba/ncalrpc/np/**dnsserver
> unix  2      [ ACC ]     STREAM     LISTENING     413331 19023/samba
>  /var/run/samba/ncalrpc/np/**ntsvcs
> unix  2      [ ACC ]     STREAM     LISTENING     413334 19023/samba
>  /var/run/samba/ncalrpc/np/**browser
> unix  2      [ ACC ]     STREAM     LISTENING     413336 19023/samba
>  /var/run/samba/ncalrpc/np/**unixinfo
> unix  2      [ ACC ]     STREAM     LISTENING     413339 19023/samba
>  /var/run/samba/ncalrpc/np/**protected_storage
> unix  2      [ ACC ]     STREAM     LISTENING     413344 19023/samba
>  /var/run/samba/ncalrpc/np/**spoolss
> unix  2      [ ]         DGRAM                    413345 19025/samba
>  /var/lib/samba/private/smbd.**tmp/msg/msg.19025
> unix  2      [ ACC ]     STREAM     LISTENING     413347 19023/samba
>  /var/run/samba/ncalrpc/np/**lsass
> unix  2      [ ACC ]     STREAM     LISTENING     413350 19023/samba
>  /var/run/samba/ncalrpc/np/**lsarpc
> unix  2      [ ACC ]     STREAM     LISTENING     413352 19023/samba
>  /var/run/samba/ncalrpc/np/**netlogon
> unix  2      [ ACC ]     STREAM     LISTENING     413354 19023/samba
>  /var/run/samba/ncalrpc/np/samr
> unix  2      [ ACC ]     STREAM     LISTENING     413356 19023/samba
>  /var/run/samba/ncalrpc/np/**rpcecho
> unix  2      [ ACC ]     STREAM     LISTENING     413358 19023/samba
>  /var/run/samba/ncalrpc/DEFAULT
> unix  2      [ ACC ]     STREAM     LISTENING     413363 19023/samba
>  /var/run/samba/ncalrpc/np/**wkssvc
> unix  2      [ ACC ]     STREAM     LISTENING     413404 19031/samba
>  /var/lib/samba/ntp_signd/**socket
> unix  2      [ ACC ]     STREAM     LISTENING     413365 19023/samba
>  /var/run/samba/ncalrpc/**EPMAPPER
> unix  2      [ ]         DGRAM                    413367 19026/samba
>  /var/lib/samba/private/smbd.**tmp/msg/msg.19026
> unix  2      [ ACC ]     STREAM     LISTENING     413372 19023/samba
>  /var/run/samba/ncalrpc/np/**epmapper
> unix  2      [ ]         DGRAM                    413374 19027/samba
>  /var/lib/samba/private/smbd.**tmp/msg/msg.19027
> unix  2      [ ]         DGRAM                    413382 19028/samba
>  /var/lib/samba/private/smbd.**tmp/msg/msg.19028
> unix  2      [ ]         DGRAM                    413385 19029/samba
>  /var/lib/samba/private/smbd.**tmp/msg/msg.19029
> unix  2      [ ]         DGRAM                    413387 19030/samba
>  /var/lib/samba/private/smbd.**tmp/msg/msg.19030
> unix  2      [ ]         DGRAM                    413402 19031/samba
>  /var/lib/samba/private/smbd.**tmp/msg/msg.19031
> unix  2      [ ACC ]     STREAM     LISTENING     413406 19030/samba
>  /var/run/samba/winbindd/pipe
> unix  2      [ ACC ]     STREAM     LISTENING     413410 19030/samba
>  /var/lib/samba/winbindd_**privileged/pipe
> unix  2      [ ]         DGRAM                    413407 19032/samba
>  /var/lib/samba/private/smbd.**tmp/msg/msg.19032
> unix  2      [ ]         DGRAM                    413315 5714/samba
>  /var/lib/samba/private/smbd.**tmp/msg/msg.0
> unix  2      [ ]         DGRAM                    413412 19033/samba
>  /var/lib/samba/private/smbd.**tmp/msg/msg.19033
> unix  2      [ ]         DGRAM                    413414 19034/samba
>  /var/lib/samba/private/smbd.**tmp/msg/msg.19034
> unix  2      [ ]         DGRAM                    413421 19035/samba
>  /var/lib/samba/private/smbd.**tmp/msg/msg.19035
> unix  2      [ ]         DGRAM                    2454592 19023/samba
>   /var/lib/samba/private/smbd.**tmp/msg/msg.19023.43
> unix  2      [ ACC ]     STREAM     LISTENING     413452 19026/samba
>  /var/lib/samba/private/ldapi
> unix  2      [ ACC ]     STREAM     LISTENING     413324 19023/samba
>  /var/run/samba/ncalrpc/np/**srvsvc
> unix  2      [ ]         DGRAM                    413319 19023/samba
>  /var/lib/samba/private/smbd.**tmp/msg/msg.19023
> unix  2      [ ]         DGRAM                    413321 19024/samba
>  /var/lib/samba/private/smbd.**tmp/msg/msg.19024
> unix  2      [ ACC ]     STREAM     LISTENING     413454 19026/samba
>  /var/lib/samba/private/ldap_**priv/ldapi
> unix  2      [ ]         DGRAM                    413574 19044/samba
>  /var/lib/samba/private/smbd.**tmp/msg/msg.19044
> unix  2      [ ACC ]     STREAM     LISTENING     413326 19023/samba
>  /var/run/samba/ncalrpc/np/**winreg
> unix  2      [ ]         DGRAM                    413309 5714/samba
> $ sudo tail -n 50 /var/log/samba/log.samba
>   Exiting pid 18864 on SIGTERM
> [2013/08/24 15:35:45.472267,  0] ../source4/smbd/server.c:121(**sig_term)
> [2013/08/24 15:35:45.472118,  0] ../source4/smbd/server.c:121(**sig_term)
> [2013/08/24 15:35:45.472279,  0] ../source4/smbd/server.c:121(**sig_term)
>   Exiting pid 18861 on SIGTERM
> [2013/08/24 15:35:45.472188,  0] ../source4/smbd/server.c:121(**sig_term)
>   Exiting pid 18865 on SIGTERM
> [2013/08/24 15:35:45.472765,  0] ../source4/smbd/server.c:121(**sig_term)
> [2013/08/24 15:35:45.472761,  0] ../source4/smbd/server.c:121(**sig_term)
>   Exiting pid 18870 on SIGTERM
>   Exiting pid 18871 on SIGTERM
> [2013/08/24 15:35:45.472656,  0] ../source4/smbd/server.c:121(**sig_term)
>   Exiting pid 18868 on SIGTERM
> [2013/08/24 15:35:45.472518,  0] ../source4/smbd/server.c:121(**sig_term)
>   Exiting pid 18869 on SIGTERM
> [2013/08/24 15:35:45.472268,  0] ../source4/smbd/server.c:121(**sig_term)
>   Exiting pid 18876 on SIGTERM
> [2013/08/24 15:35:45.472625,  0] ../source4/smbd/server.c:121(**sig_term)
>   Exiting pid 18874 on SIGTERM
>   Exiting pid 18875 on SIGTERM
> [2013/08/24 15:35:45.472525,  0] ../source4/smbd/server.c:121(**sig_term)
>   Exiting pid 18877 on SIGTERM
> [2013/08/24 15:35:45.472138,  0] ../source4/smbd/server.c:121(**sig_term)
>   Exiting pid 18866 on SIGTERM
> [2013/08/24 15:35:45.472808,  0] ../source4/smbd/server.c:121(**sig_term)
>   Exiting pid 18873 on SIGTERM
> [2013/08/24 15:35:45.472528,  0] ../source4/smbd/server.c:121(**sig_term)
>   Exiting pid 18872 on SIGTERM
>   Exiting pid 18867 on SIGTERM
> [2013/08/24 15:35:47.005135,  0] ../source4/smbd/server.c:370(**
> binary_smbd_main)
>   samba version 4.0.9-SerNet-RedHat-4.el6 started.
>   Copyright Andrew Tridgell and the Samba Team 1992-2012
> [2013/08/24 15:35:47.304064,  0] ../source4/smbd/server.c:482(**
> binary_smbd_main)
>   samba: using 'standard' process model
> [2013/09/05 15:40:25.959585,  0] ../source4/dsdb/common/util.c:**
> 3118(dsdb_forest_functional_**level)
>
>   ../source4/dsdb/common/util.c:**3118: WARNING: forestFunctionality not
> setup
> [2013/09/05 15:40:26.167233,  0] ../source4/dsdb/common/util.c:**
> 3118(dsdb_forest_functional_**level)
>
>   ../source4/dsdb/common/util.c:**3118: WARNING: forestFunctionality not
> setup
> [2013/09/05 15:40:26.214237,  0] ../source4/dsdb/common/util.c:**
> 3118(dsdb_forest_functional_**level)
>
>   ../source4/dsdb/common/util.c:**3118: WARNING: forestFunctionality not
> setup
> [2013/09/05 15:40:26.243104,  0] ../source4/dsdb/common/util.c:**
> 3118(dsdb_forest_functional_**level)
>
>   ../source4/dsdb/common/util.c:**3118: WARNING: forestFunctionality not
> setup
> [2013/09/05 15:40:26.934168,  0] ../source4/dsdb/common/util.c:**
> 3118(dsdb_forest_functional_**level)
>
>   ../source4/dsdb/common/util.c:**3118: WARNING: forestFunctionality not
> setup
> [2013/09/05 15:40:26.968185,  0] ../source4/dsdb/common/util.c:**
> 3118(dsdb_forest_functional_**level)
>
>   ../source4/dsdb/common/util.c:**3118: WARNING: forestFunctionality not
> setup
> [2013/09/06 13:53:21.498801,  0] ../source4/smb_server/smb/**
> service.c:127(make_connection)
>
>   make_connection: couldn't find service *.: NT_STATUS_OBJECT_NAME_NOT_**
> FOUND
> [2013/09/06 13:53:23.152701,  0] ../source4/smb_server/smb/**
> service.c:127(make_connection)
>
>   make_connection: couldn't find service DESKTOP.INI:
> NT_STATUS_OBJECT_NAME_NOT_**FOUND
>
> The forestFunctionality errors are from the Windows AD replication status
> tool.
>
> Thanks,
> Kev
>
>
>
> On 2013-09-06 1:46 PM, Ricky Nance wrote:
>
>> Next time its unresponsive, try hitting it with \\ip.to.new.dc and see
>> if its browsable, also get the output of netstat -anp | grep
>> "samba\|smbd"  as well as tail -n 50 /usr/local/samba/var/log.samba and
>> tail -n 50 usr/local/samba/var/log.smbd (adjust the path as needed),
>> also I am interested if top has anything to say about samba or smbd (as
>> for processor and memory usage).
>>
>> Ricky
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Sep 6, 2013 at 12:12 PM, Kevin Field <kev at brantaero.com
>> <mailto:kev at brantaero.com>> wrote:
>>
>>     Yep, that's exactly it.  Thanks!
>>
>>     Kev
>>
>>
>>     On 2013-09-06 10:16 AM, Ricky Nance wrote:
>>
>>         Have you disabled syslinux? That is what that change looks like
>>         to me.
>>
>>         Ricky
>>
>>
>>         On Thu, Sep 5, 2013 at 3:26 PM, Kevin Field <kev at brantaero.com
>>         <mailto:kev at brantaero.com>
>>         <mailto:kev at brantaero.com <mailto:kev at brantaero.com>>> wrote:
>>
>>              I just noticed something interesting, since I have /etc under
>>              version control: /etc/mtab changed thusly:
>>
>>              -tmpfs /dev/shm tmpfs
>>              rw,rootcontext="system_u:____**object_r:tmpfs_t:s0" 0 0
>>
>>
>>              +tmpfs /dev/shm tmpfs rw 0 0
>>
>>              Does this mean anything to our troubleshooting?
>>
>>              Thanks,
>>              Kev
>>
>>
>>              On 2013-09-04 2:02 PM, Kevin Field wrote:
>>
>>                  Yeah, it's still
>>
>>                  tmpfs                 5.9G     0  5.9G   0% /dev/shm
>>
>>                  The really odd thing is, currently, it's telling me
>>         this if I try to
>>                  access it from OLDDC, running Windows Server 2003.  But
>>         if I
>>                  remote into
>>                  another computer (GEYSER) on the network that's running
>>         Windows
>>                  XP, I
>>                  can access \\NEWDC just fine.  Back to OLDDC and it still
>>                  doesn't work.
>>
>>                  Besides the OS I noticed another difference, running
>> "echo
>>                  %logonserver%" from GEYSER, it reports \\G5, whereas
>>         running that on
>>                  OLDDC reports \\OLDDC.  I know this is normal
>>         behaviour, but I
>>                  wonder if
>>                  it has anything to do with it.  I also wonder if, if I
>>         leave GEYSER
>>                  logged in long enough, I'll have the same result on it
>>         as I do
>>                  on OLDDC.
>>
>>                  So nobody else is having this browsability problem, eh?
>>
>>                  Kev
>>
>>                  On 2013-08-24 1:41 PM, Kevin Field wrote:
>>
>>                      Hmm...it hasn't been long enough since a restart yet,
>>                      because it's not
>>                      doing it ATM, but nonetheless if it's a question of
>>         an extra
>>                      45 mb I
>>                      think we have it covered:
>>
>>                      tmpfs                 5.9G     0  5.9G   0% /dev/shm
>>
>>                      But I'll check anyway next opportunity and report
>>         back if it's a
>>                      positive.
>>
>>                      Kev
>>
>>                      On 2013-08-24 11:51 AM, Ricky Nance wrote:
>>
>>                          I wonder if your hitting the /run/lock fill up
>> that
>>                          another user
>>                          reported on a week or two ago (they are using
>>         ubuntu). I
>>                          think the
>>                          solution was to make that tmpfs partition
>>         bigger (like
>>                          50 mb instead of
>>                          5 mb). next time it is unresponsive check and
>>         see what
>>                          the output of 'df
>>                          -h' is.
>>
>>                          Ricky
>>
>>
>>                          On Sat, Aug 24, 2013 at 10:02 AM, Kevin Field
>>                          <kev at brantaero.com <mailto:kev at brantaero.com>
>>         <mailto:kev at brantaero.com <mailto:kev at brantaero.com>>
>>                          <mailto:kev at brantaero.com
>>         <mailto:kev at brantaero.com> <mailto:kev at brantaero.com
>>         <mailto:kev at brantaero.com>>>>
>>
>>                          wrote:
>>
>>                               I've upgraded to 4.0.9 and this behaviour
>>         persists.
>>
>>                               Should I file a bug report, do you think?
>> �Is
>>                          nobody else
>>                               experiencing this?
>>
>>                               Thanks,
>>
>>                               Kev
>>
>>                               On 2013-08-20 11:40 AM, Kristofer
>>         Pettijohn wrote:
>>
>>                                   You may want to see if it is this bug,
>>         which is
>>                          fixed in 4.0.9:
>>         https://bugzilla.samba.org/___**___show_bug.cgi?id=9820<https://bugzilla.samba.org/______show_bug.cgi?id=9820>
>>         <https://bugzilla.samba.org/__**__show_bug.cgi?id=9820<https://bugzilla.samba.org/____show_bug.cgi?id=9820>
>> >
>>
>>
>>         <https://bugzilla.samba.org/__**__show_bug.cgi?id=9820<https://bugzilla.samba.org/____show_bug.cgi?id=9820>
>>         <https://bugzilla.samba.org/__**show_bug.cgi?id=9820<https://bugzilla.samba.org/__show_bug.cgi?id=9820>
>> >>
>>
>>
>>         <https://bugzilla.samba.org/__**__show_bug.cgi?id=9820<https://bugzilla.samba.org/____show_bug.cgi?id=9820>
>>         <https://bugzilla.samba.org/__**show_bug.cgi?id=9820<https://bugzilla.samba.org/__show_bug.cgi?id=9820>
>> >
>>
>>         <https://bugzilla.samba.org/__**show_bug.cgi?id=9820<https://bugzilla.samba.org/__show_bug.cgi?id=9820>
>>         <https://bugzilla.samba.org/**show_bug.cgi?id=9820<https://bugzilla.samba.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9820>
>> >>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>         ------------------------------**______------------------------**
>> --__--__--__------------
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>                                   *From: *"Kevin Field"
>>         <kev at brantaero.com <mailto:kev at brantaero.com>
>>                          <mailto:kev at brantaero.com
>>         <mailto:kev at brantaero.com>>
>>                          <mailto:kev at brantaero.com
>>         <mailto:kev at brantaero.com> <mailto:kev at brantaero.com
>>         <mailto:kev at brantaero.com>>>>
>>                                   *To: *samba at lists.samba.org
>>         <mailto:samba at lists.samba.org>
>>                          <mailto:samba at lists.samba.org
>>         <mailto:samba at lists.samba.org>**>
>>                          <mailto:samba at lists.samba.org
>>         <mailto:samba at lists.samba.org>
>>
>>                          <mailto:samba at lists.samba.org
>>         <mailto:samba at lists.samba.org>**>__>
>>
>>                                   *Sent: *Tuesday, August 20, 2013
>>         9:38:32 AM
>>                                   *Subject: *[Samba] AD DC eventually not
>>                          browsable without
>>                          restart
>>
>>
>>                                   I have a SerNet Samba 4.0.8 AD DC
>>         running on
>>                          CentOS 6.4 (newdc)
>>                                   replicating from a W2K3 DC (olddc).
>>         �When I
>>                          first launch Samba
>>                          using
>>                                   `sudo samba`, I can go to the Windows
>>         server
>>                          and browse to
>>                                   \\newdc in
>>                                   Explorer, and I see mytestshare,
>> netlogon,
>>                          printers, sysvol, and
>>                                   "Printers and Faxes".
>>
>>                                   After a while (I'm not sure how long
>>         precisely,
>>                          but under 24
>>                                   hours) I
>>                                   could not navigate to \\newdc without
>> the
>>                          following error:
>>
>>                                   ---------------------------
>>                                   \\newdc
>>                                   ---------------------------
>>                                   \\newdc is not accessible. You might
>>         not have
>>                          permission to
>>                          use this
>>                                   network resource. Contact the
>>         administrator of
>>                          this server to
>>                                   find out
>>                                   if you have access permissions.
>>
>>                                   The Server service is not started.
>>                                   ---------------------------
>>                                   OK
>>                                   ---------------------------
>>
>>                                   But in the interim, I had not been doing
>>                          anything in the system,
>>                                   so I'm
>>                                   not sure what might have caused it.
>>         �One time
>>                          it even happened
>>                          on a
>>                                   weekend when no backup or anything
>>         particularly
>>                          special is
>>                          scheduled
>>                                   while I was away.
>>
>>                                   Anyway, running `sudo killall samba`
>>         and then
>>                          `sudo samba`
>>                          makes it
>>                                   suddenly browsable again.
>>
>>                                   This is happening every day. �I guess
>>         it would
>>                          be best to figure
>>                                   this
>>                                   problem out before we make Samba the
>>         only DC.
>>
>>                                   Here's my smb.conf, mostly set up by
>>                          samba-tool, and now a
>>                          work in
>>                                   progress to add the extras we will use:
>>
>>                                   # Global parameters
>>                                   [global]
>>                                   � � � � � workgroup = MYDOMAIN
>>                                   � � � � � realm = mydomain.lan
>>                                   � � � � � netbios name = NEWDC
>>                                   � � � � � server role = active
>>         directory domain
>>                          controller
>>                                   � � � � � server services = rpc, nbt,
>>         wrepl,
>>                          ldap, cldap, kdc,
>>                                   drepl,
>>                                   winbind, ntp_signd, kcc, dnsupdate,
>>         smb, dns
>>                                   � � � � � allow dns updates = true
>>                                   � � � � � dns forwarder = 192.168.1.1
>>                                   # � � � �dns recursive queries = yes
>>                                   � � � � � dcerpc endpoint servers =
>>         epmapper,
>>                          wkssvc, rpcecho,
>>                          samr,
>>                                   netlogon, lsarpc, spoolss, drsuapi,
>>         dssetup,
>>                          unixinfo, browser,
>>                                   eventlog6, backupkey, dnsserver,
>>         winreg, srvsvc
>>                                   # � � � dcerpc endpoint servers =
>>         winreg srvsvc
>>                                   � � � � � load printers = yes
>>                                   � � � � � printing = cups
>>
>>                                   [netlogon]
>>                                   � � � � � path =
>>                          /var/lib/samba/sysvol/______**
>> mydomain.lan/scripts
>>
>>
>>                                   � � � � � read only = No
>>
>>                                   [sysvol]
>>                                   � � � � � path = /var/lib/samba/sysvol
>>                                   � � � � � read only = No
>>
>>                                   [printers]
>>                                   � � � �comment = All Printers
>>                                   � � � �path = /var/spool/samba
>>                                   � � � �browseable = Yes
>>                                   � � � �read only = No
>>                                   � � � �printable = Yes
>>
>>                                   [print$]
>>                                   � � � �comment = Point and Print
>>         Printer Drivers
>>                                   � � � �path = /var/lib/samba/printing
>>                                   � � � �read only = No
>>
>>                                   [mytestshare]
>>                                   � � � � � path = /srv/mytestshare/
>>                                   � � � � � read only = No
>>
>>
>>                                   Any ideas?
>>
>>                                   Thanks,
>>                                   Kev
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