On 7 Mar 2005, at 11:57, John Griffiths wrote: > 1) in thunderbird I need to verify even if I've already run a pop to > get my mail down Is your ISP using SASL, perhaps? If you're using Perl, the Net::SMTP package supports SASL. I would expect (but I don't know) that Exim and Postfix would support SASL for mail sending operations. Alex